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welcome to just energy radio with your

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host naturopath and medical intuitive dr

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reed louise

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we have learned from einstein's theory

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that matter and energy are one

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physicists believe that all systems in

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nature have their own particular way of

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vibrating from the swinging of a

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pendulum to the waves of the ocean to

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the light that brightens the sky each

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day each of these oscillates at its own

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unique rate the same holds true for

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every thought feeling event or word we

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speak each has its own frequency or rate

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of vibration what many of us don't

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realize is when we take everything in

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our universe down to its simplest form

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it is all just energy

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join dr reed louise on a journey through

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time and space where past present and

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future collide today what you believe

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may be called into question what we want

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to know is who made up the rules

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be brave and step outside the box we are

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about to turn our world upside down and

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venture into the unknown

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hold on we are departing our own beliefs

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and entering alternative realms

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hello and welcome to just energy radio

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i'm your host dr rita louise and thank

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you all for tuning in to the show today

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we're going to have an interesting

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hour two hours tonight where we're going

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to be talking about mythology and higher

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consciousness so we get to it mix the

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old in with the new with metaphysical so

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thinking about changing careers and

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working in a holistic health field check

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so i just have one really really really

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really really important announcement

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especially if you're listening to the

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show now and you're kind of a night owl

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or an early bird

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i'll be on uh coast to coast this

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morning at

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two o'clock central time three o'clock

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way too early for me but i'll be on

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being bright and perky with george nori

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on coast to coast so check it out and

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we'll be talking about uh my new book

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e.t chronicles the

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what myth and legend has to say about

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human origin as well as icon

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deconstructing the archetypes of the

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ancients so don't miss it coast to coast

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am george nori 2 a.m to 4 or what is it

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let me tell you about today's guest and

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we will bring him on the air

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paul boudreau is an ecologist and

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biologist who studied ancient myth and

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sight including on-site explorations of

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ancient myths and sight have captivated

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his imagination and attention since

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childhood struggling to understand the

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importance of what was taught to him as

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fairy tales he has been fortunate enough

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to travel the world and to personally

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experience many of man's highest

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creations both ancient and modern and

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today we're going to be talking about

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his new book awakening to higher higher

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consciousness guidance from ancient

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egypt and sumner

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so please welcome

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paul boudreau hey paul how are you just

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fine dr rita just fine how are you doing

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i am doing good did i say your name kind

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of right you did an excellent job i

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well we have a lot to talk about because

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there's just so much material in your

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book that um

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i think we're going to have a great

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conversation but let's just start off

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easy it's your first time on the show

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and we maybe we can start with a little

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bit of history from you what got you

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interested in studying

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mythology ancient cultures and their

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relationship to consciousness in the

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in the beginning in the beginning and we

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do talk about creation about it so it's

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a good place to start in the beginning

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personally i as a child

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was told fairy tales and stories

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biblical stories that

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struck me as absurd if i can use the

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you know genesis talking about naked

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running around the garden with talking

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snake and things like that

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and i i don't know where it came from in

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something more to these

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these myths these stories that that

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obviously were cherished by the people

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telling me the stories and i i you know

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i knew they they reached back in time to

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the beginning of civilization so why why

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were these stories important

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managed to get a job and i was very

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fortunate to meet lloyd my my mentor my

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issues about you know the things we we

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common experience of my gosh these

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about and and this gave rise to a common

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interest that we that we shared about

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scientists and and try to explore

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myths so it's been a lifelong

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how can i make these myths more useful

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these type of stories have endured for

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so long i mean some of them

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myths from 5 000 years ago um

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is the very first literature

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why they're important um

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later on about you know levels of

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interpretation but you know they're all

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great stories

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gilgamesh and and we talk about

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genesis and and i think that's the

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that's a key piece to these the success

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of these stories is that they really

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engage us and you don't have to be

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to be entertained by them and by be

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ring around rosie

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yeah so so did i and

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you know it was great fun and we'd all

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fall down and we'd pick ourselves up and

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laugh and do it again well it took

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decades before i was uh able to to find

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a reference that that uh

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pointed out that that nursery rhyme

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is the story of the great plagues in the

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the you know achachas the the people

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sneezing and then they all fall down

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well and i think it was the posies

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because there was so much stents that

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they would put posies and flowers in

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their pockets or something so that

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give them a better odor you're on your

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game absolutely so

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how could a story about the great plague

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still be active today in school yards

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and western western

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civilization obviously

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it is and and part of that has to do

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well it's a fun game to fall over as a

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a big part of the success of these myths

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good old fun it's it's engaging and

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you know the the stories of the hero

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so that that's easy to see that the

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challenge that that lloyd and i

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encountered when we we started this

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exploration journey i don't know what we

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kind of verifying for ourselves that

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that myth actually contained information

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and we started uh with a book called

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hamlet's mill by disantelliana and von

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deschen do you know this book it's a

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never read it right well it's a very

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long serious discussion

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the you know shakespearean play hamlet

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the movement of the earth and the in the

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of showing that in fact hamlet's mill

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the myths associated with it

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astrological astronomical information

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that that is carried down through the

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myth even though it's not readily

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in reading the myth itself

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this exploration of creation that said

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that okay

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these myths are more than just fairy

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tales more than just stories of long

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long ago and far far away

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in sort of

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you know but you're mentioning hamlet

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shakespeare and so

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i don't i don't know if when shakespeare

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wrote it he based it on some mythology

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from somewhere or whatever

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but that obviously was a work of fiction

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what do you think about myths do you

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think mythology that there's fact to

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mythology um on one level i mean

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in the mythology so we'll get to that

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part right later um but do you think

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that there is truth to the myths that we

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whole night reciting references they're

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all on our website etc but but uh this

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other book looked at

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myths about uh

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oh

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from from the point of geology and they

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were looking i'm trying to recall sort

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of a

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myths about giants

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with uh red hair

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uh that slept in caves that shook the

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ground and it's it's actually much it's

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not a bad read this this this book that

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okay what book is that because now i

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want it it's authored by barbara and

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barber and i don't have the title in

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front of me we'll have to do some social

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media stuff afterwards

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um

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and they look at uh at the links between

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earthquakes and volcanoes with

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uh

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some of the mythical stories

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and so when you've got a red-haired uh

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giant shaking the ground

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they look back

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i think they were looking from a greek

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point of view or something but they were

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looking at a great uh volcanic eruption

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in the mediterranean which

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i'm getting at the very extreme edge of

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my my expertise

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but

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again it was

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it was enjoyable to sort of see how they

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presented some of the myths in terms of

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so yeah absolutely they contain

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information

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at many different levels from from

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earthquakes and and volcanic eruptions

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to uh

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to what lloyd and i have worked on in

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terms of uh sort of self-development and

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how we might look at the world around us

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um

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and and

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the the the book about the geology makes

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the point that

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you know

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the myths have to be simple they have to

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you know there's a number of aspects

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that make a myth

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succeed over the long term you know if

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you've got you know

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hundreds of names and complicated

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dialogue that's not going to convey well

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so the myths tend to simplify and and

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focus on just a few

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uh very dynamic and interesting people

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and uh

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so there's lots of myths that that

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we haven't really gotten into

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in our book but

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i think there's a lot more we have to

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learn and we should pay attention to

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you obviously haven't read any indian

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myths where you have to sit there with

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your computer on to look up these names

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and who they are and what they represent

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it's just like a research project just

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i haven't done that yet

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maybe it appeals to the culture i don't

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know

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they got a million people all over the

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place and yeah it's interesting i mean

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because you read this thing and you

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think oh well that's just

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you just kind of go by the name and just

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ignore it but then you find out that

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like this word here actually is talking

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about people that live in a fairy realm

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you know or in either in the neither

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world but you wouldn't really get that

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unless you looked it up and it's not

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necessarily

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relevant on one level to reading the

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story but if you know that then it kind

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of takes it to a different place but

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anyway i i digress let me go back to my

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question so one of the things that i

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noticed was that you

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utilize and i didn't write this question

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down but the ecsl

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where they have

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the sumerian the sumerian uh documents

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and so it looked like you had gone

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through a bunch of the material they

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didn't you find it interesting how

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scandalous some of their myths were

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scandalous what are you thinking

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well you know like enlil raping this

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woman or you know these these stories of

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intrigue that come down to us that

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i would get back to the last point what

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that catches your attention right that

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makes i mean we all love gossip and

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intrigue

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um

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i hadn't thought about scandalous as a

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description

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i like scandalous

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good soap opera

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and gilgamesh did the same thing he was

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you know uh taking young brides and

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you know and and taking their virginity

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inside so it is an aspect a good myth

401
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has all sorts of levels and and uh

402
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and we shouldn't be too moral well i try

403
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not to be too moralistic

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i mean

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try not to judge these myths

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scandalous couple naked people running

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around the garden escape is scandalous

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for some people

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well yeah

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i just think

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you know and i'd like your opinion but i

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feel like we learn a lot about the

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society and culture in reading these

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myths and so you read stories like that

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and it's like god they were doing stuff

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back then

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you know even over 5000 years i don't

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think we're that much different than the

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people that wrote these stories down so

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there's a lot of stuff going on today

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that that probably wouldn't wouldn't

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have raised an eyebrow back in sumar and

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vice versa

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you know but going back to my my comment

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i mean do you feel like myths provide us

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with insights into a society oh yes

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absolutely and and

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uh you know the

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the myths capture a

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a snapshot of the society you know

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ghodamesh was written by the sumerians

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and and not written down in

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in total until the babylonians a

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thousand years later and by the time the

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babylonians got their hands on it

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it was much more war-like and and you

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know it had different aspects that that

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you you don't find in the uh in the

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sumerian

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definitely it it changes and and uh in

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more recent times

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some of the things that we explore are

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easily found in christianity but

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christianity

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presents them in a certain way and and

446
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in a certain light so yeah absolutely

447
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the society is reflected in the myths

448
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and you get to know

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what they value

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it seems to me

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if you can if you can understand

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the message yes

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uh

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i always think of you know reading the

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sports page you know and and so not so

456
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much now but you know a team one team

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would clobber another one and

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you know if you just read the literal

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sports page at some point

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you'd think that we were a bloodthirsty

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culture where we just you know

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set teams to kill each other

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so

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language communication is is always an

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issue whether you're talking about your

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present day or whether you're trying to

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reach back in time to a different

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culture

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it's not readily apparent

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sometimes what what was actually being

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recorded in in the ancient myths and in

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their uh in their language

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and and i expect the same will happen

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you know 5 000 years from now when

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someone tries to understand what the

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western world has been writing at so

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there are insights and but one has to

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work at it one has to be a bit careful i

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think not to get uh

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to be aware of this may be sensitive to

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uh to what we what we know about the

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these people uh an example

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the egyptian

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culture is often presented as being a

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funerary culture you know that all they

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worried about was

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death and funerals and you know

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but our work we find much more

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written and represented in pictures that

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has to do with

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a lot with life

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with uh you know living with with higher

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consciousness a an example is uh you

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probably know

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that the text that has been called the

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book of the dead right

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everybody knows the book of the dead

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yeah i read it

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covered a cover like that yeah

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but its real title is the book of coming

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forth by day

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or book of coming forth by light

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and

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that that title is quite different than

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the book of the dead

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gives a different impression

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it would set the tone of how you would

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approach the this text

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and and so

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in in this case

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the earlier the early uh

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explorers investigators

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misnamed it uh

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and i think that as a result that whole

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genre of literature that whole

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book the the book

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has been sort of

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uh

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treated as dealing with something i

520
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don't think that the egyptians were that

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concerned with now no doubt i mean

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definitely the egyptians they had tombs

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they had a lot of tombs and lloyd and i

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been in a number of them but they also

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had temples where people prayed and

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celebrated

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pyramids are a whole other thing that we

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may get to later in the conversation

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definitely they weren't only interested

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in dead people and we find that very

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exciting i think they have a lot to tell

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us about live people and me and you and

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how we can be more alive

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so that's an example of you know how

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difficult it is to find out exactly to

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try to imagine what those cultures were

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like

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and what about translation

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i uh

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all right this i i don't even care it's

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like i like the watchtower translation

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of the bible i don't know what it is

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00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:41,200
about it but i like that translation

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and i will use it if i'm pulling out a

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biblical passage usually an old

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testament passage to put into an article

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or whatever

548
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and oh my god i get these comments from

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people but that's not a king james

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version it's like

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that's the freaking bible

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00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,120
but from your study because i i see that

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you have looked into the linguistics and

554
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that part um how much does translation

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from one version one language to another

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really impact the message that we get in

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english

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oh it's it's huge um

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the

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provide is

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is really one has to look interior to

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find out what relates to themselves

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personally so i can understand you

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having you know a particular translation

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00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,039
which connects with you and that that is

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the most important thing

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uh

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for all of the these myths

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you know

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00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,840
we can we can see the the actual

571
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,000
sumerian letters

572
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,400
on the this website you mentioned the

573
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,640
electronic textual corpses of sumerian

574
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,039
language etcsl and then write listeners

575
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,679
to do a google search on etcsl and you

576
00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,840
can see the letters and you know you can

577
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,320
see the translations and and one of the

578
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,559
things we've done is just sort of go and

579
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,799
and try to make that comparison

580
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,960
similarly with the pyramid texts uh this

581
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,799
is the you know earliest literature

582
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,640
known to man written down by the

583
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,200
egyptians inside the the earliest

584
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,280
pyramids they ever wrote uh you could do

585
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,280
a google search on for pyramid text

586
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,120
online and you could you could actually

587
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:23,840
see the the images the hieroglyphics and

588
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,270
one has to

589
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,669
continually work to try to really get to

590
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:35,679
the root of these these myths and

591
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:36,880
english

592
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,440
uh is the language we speak and it's the

593
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,440
language we we

594
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:43,840
understand the world in

595
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,320
but that translation from from

596
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:48,559
one language to another is you know it's

597
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,679
not like pulling up a a dictionary and

598
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,600
flipping to various pages and and

599
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:55,919
figuring it out i think it takes a lot

600
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,720
of life experience a lot of you know

601
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,440
direct experience of what you've

602
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,760
experienced

603
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,760
what you can remember in your own life

604
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,679
and and we think that's the ground

605
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,120
grounding that's needed when one

606
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,120
approaches these ancient myths because

607
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:13,520
we do think that they tie directly to

608
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,880
what we have lived through

609
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:18,640
quite different than an academic study

610
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:19,600
you know

611
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,279
different translations and one could

612
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,120
argue but the different usage through

613
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,640
time

614
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,559
that's potentially very useful but it's

615
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:30,559
not particularly interesting

616
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,640
to us at this point in terms of how we

617
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:35,120
would apply the myths to ourselves

618
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:36,080
um

619
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,039
yeah

620
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,760
but i could see where there might be you

621
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:41,279
know since we're going to be moving into

622
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,159
consciousness eventually um where there

623
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:45,679
might be

624
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:51,269
would translate

625
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:52,320
you know

626
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,360
in

627
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:56,159
to maybe me or you to represent like a

628
00:25:02,870 --> 00:24:58,840
higher level of conscious

629
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,880
mind and and the person just puts mine

630
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,520
and so it you know the

631
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:07,360
the intention doesn't translate

632
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:10,880
correctly or you know the bias of the

633
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:14,159
writer doesn't have that experience to

634
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:15,760
unders really understand what the

635
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:18,320
concept is or whatever gets put into

636
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:25,510
you know and and they lose the message

637
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,840
yeah that

638
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,799
in canada i'm sure you may have heard

639
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,159
this that you know the

640
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:32,559
the inuit that live up north have 35

641
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:35,760
different words for snow whereas

642
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,269
yeah right

643
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,320
that's that that's exactly the the the

644
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,120
the point i believe and when you get to

645
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,440
things like bodies and and and

646
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:52,320
consciousness uh it's really not that

647
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,440
easy uh

648
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:56,080
you know uh

649
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,600
a body a live body dead body corpse body

650
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:01,679
you know a being a

651
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:02,799
human

652
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,840
uh so it persists in english and in all

653
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,320
languages and and you're right it's not

654
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,120
sometimes not obvious what what is meant

655
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:13,760
by the authors nor what what one could

656
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:15,279
take away from it

657
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,880
um

658
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,039
it's one of the biggest challenges of

659
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:20,960
of the egyptian it it is a very

660
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:24,799
difficult language lloyd has studied

661
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,360
had taken several years of study on

662
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,600
egyptian hieroglyphs and and it was a

663
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,840
great well it was essential to our

664
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,559
visits to egypt to

665
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,880
to to read the hieroglyphs and

666
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,640
put it together because

667
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,559
there's just you know one hieroglyph

668
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:42,720
contains so much information

669
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,520
uh

670
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,520
that a an english word may or may not

671
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:47,440
have that uh

672
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,840
yeah it's it's tough it's tough and

673
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,240
uh our

674
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,320
our own advice to ourselves is don't be

675
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:56,480
fooled by the the first literal meaning

676
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:57,520
because

677
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,400
that's

678
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,400
probably not what they were they weren't

679
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,080
protecting these myths for five thousand

680
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,840
years because of you know some literal

681
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,679
meaning they were generally me trying to

682
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,000
deal with very difficult topics

683
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:10,960
but we we think that that the

684
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,880
ancient sumerians and ancient egyptians

685
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:15,039
were struggling with communication

686
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,830
consciousness awake death

687
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:22,960
uh

688
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,159
even today we we don't have a very very

689
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,000
good handle on on what some of these

690
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,679
concepts mean

691
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,360
uh there's been a lot of written

692
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:33,520
recently about you know ct scans and

693
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,909
i'm not sure that's going to get us

694
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,279
anywhere to know that oh yeah those

695
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,440
electrons fired in your brain

696
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,080
i don't you know medical approach may

697
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,039
not help us very much with understanding

698
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:50,880
what we are as being you know what makes

699
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:54,080
me alive right now and when i die if i

700
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:54,960
die

701
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:58,640
what's the big difference between a

702
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:01,039
living person and a dead person

703
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,880
is it electrons i i don't think so

704
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,799
me either

705
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,679
good

706
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,360
i don't think that it's part of this

707
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:11,919
three-dimensional world or we wouldn't

708
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:15,039
have so many situations of non-locality

709
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,990
there's a lot we have to learn and

710
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,760
you know it's a great time it's a great

711
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,760
interesting time to be working on on the

712
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,360
work of the ancients and and i know

713
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,960
you've had guests

714
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,960
looking at a lot of the archaeological

715
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,880
and construction stuff

716
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:34,159
you know shock

717
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,760
in his work dating this thanks to ten

718
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,520
thousand years ago and

719
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,760
pouval and what and john anthony west on

720
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:41,840
the giza plateau

721
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:45,279
scranton on his dogun

722
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,640
really fascinating now you've got

723
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:48,399
hancock and andrew collins looking at

724
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,880
the gobekli tepe from 10 000 years ago

725
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:54,000
and

726
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,679
i think well we're all sort of exploring

727
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,600
the edges of what we know about

728
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,120
civilization

729
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,200
now lloyd and i are looking at the

730
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,120
written piece but there's all these

731
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,960
pieces being

732
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,039
tossed around and we're all trying to

733
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,039
figure out what what's uh

734
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,360
what what is our history and and and how

735
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,200
we've gotten to where we are

736
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,760
and um i think there's still a lot to

737
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,159
learn but from language from from just

738
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,919
even knowing how people lived that that

739
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:24,080
long ago

740
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,279
and

741
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,720
one of the interesting things about the

742
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:28,240
gobekli tepe

743
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,440
um

744
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:32,240
is i understand

745
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,360
people believe it was built by

746
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:35,919
hunter-gatherers

747
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:38,799
and well not really but

748
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:39,919
well

749
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,480
tell me what you know

750
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,559
well i mean that's what the scientists

751
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,399
say and then there's everybody else that

752
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,320
go right

753
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,080
sure

754
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:51,919
and then we'll build the pyramids next

755
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,640
week okay

756
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,799
but we don't know i mean you know we

757
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,960
don't know we don't know and that that's

758
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,039
what makes it so interesting and and the

759
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,360
same thing with literature

760
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,880
we're trying to look at literature in a

761
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,559
way that we don't really know

762
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:08,480
or haven't known what what these myths

763
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,750
can't believe that they were about dead

764
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:14,960
people

765
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,279
sorry to come back to that point

766
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,880
well they might have been alive at one

767
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:21,200
point time but after 5000 years i mean

768
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,640
unless they're a god then you know

769
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,120
they're possibly dead by now well

770
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,279
they're dead unless they reincarnated

771
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,600
you know and that's possible too uh

772
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,080
that that's possible too

773
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,320
but but the myths have so much more

774
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,799
power imagining them or seeing them in

775
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:38,480
terms of being given

776
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,440
to a live person whether it's a shaman

777
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:42,960
or someone you know that's being

778
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,679
initiated into higher knowledge to me

779
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,880
that's much more exciting and

780
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,120
interesting and mysterious

781
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,679
than thinking that there were prayers

782
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,679
set over a dead body which is more you

783
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,919
know that the western christian view of

784
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:57,679
things

785
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:58,480
well

786
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:59,440
but

787
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,640
if you look

788
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,559
i mean i do ghost honey so of course i

789
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,080
have to look at the whole concept of

790
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:06,240
ghosts from an antiquity point of view

791
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:09,679
and where we really started

792
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,520
believing in ghosts

793
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,200
the notion of ghosts

794
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,279
and there's like this whole thing and so

795
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:17,760
some of the rituals were so that the

796
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:20,399
person who died wouldn't come back and

797
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:23,840
haunt them which is why there was a from

798
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,240
my understanding a lot of death rituals

799
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,159
is to

800
00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:30,720
ensure they stayed in the grave put them

801
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:33,520
away and and moved on you know go to the

802
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,630
absolutely that that makes sense but

803
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,799
then at the same time we know of a lot

804
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,880
of certainly the first nations people in

805
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,360
in north america you know the the the

806
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,159
shamanistic tradition was was still very

807
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:52,240
active when when the europeans arrived

808
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:53,440
in terms of

809
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,880
you know uh

810
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:57,120
specific individuals in in the group

811
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,000
that

812
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,799
were connected on a different plane or

813
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,960
you know have had that their different

814
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:05,039
training and connections that

815
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:06,880
that were were connected why they were

816
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,840
alive not not you know they

817
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,200
maybe they were talking to ghosts but

818
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,039
you know certainly they were you know

819
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,559
respected and and uh played a large role

820
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:17,840
in in

821
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,000
in the day-to-day life of the

822
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,480
civilization we don't have that these

823
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:24,000
days that well maybe maybe you're as

824
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:30,310
but i mean and that's the part that i

825
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,760
always you know i have this whole list

826
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,120
of questions but i'm just going to go

827
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:35,760
off topic here or off my list

828
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:38,240
um if that's the part that i find the

829
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,840
most fascinating is that when we go back

830
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:43,679
into deep antiquity

831
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:46,960
there is such a understanding

832
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,840
and such a reverence and such a

833
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:51,600
connection

834
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,399
to

835
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,720
that unseen world and a deep

836
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,960
understanding of how to connect with it

837
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,559
and interact with it

838
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,159
that we have

839
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:02,559
i don't want to say completely lost but

840
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,039
in most parts of the world we've

841
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:07,919
completely lost

842
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:10,720
that that's a good example of

843
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:13,519
seeing those civilizations as valuing it

844
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,360
differently than we do today and

845
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,960
they they

846
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,600
they have left lots of images and

847
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:24,640
literature and writing that

848
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:25,600
that

849
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,480
real to them and and

850
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,320
the gods were real they interacted with

851
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:36,399
the gods right i mean

852
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,799
it wasn't some old man on a cloud

853
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,000
it was something that was much more

854
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:42,080
personal and participated in their lives

855
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,600
so yes that's

856
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:45,519
that that is something that progress and

857
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,159
engineering doesn't really support in

858
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:50,080
modern day world

859
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,240
i mean i think it's been brainwashed out

860
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,320
of us but i i find it interesting

861
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,640
because there are so many people now

862
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,080
wanting to

863
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,799
see ghosts or tap into their intuition

864
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:02,799
or we have the quantum physicists

865
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,440
talking about

866
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,200
non-locality and um

867
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,679
you know string theory and and all of

868
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,000
these things that

869
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,240
you know multiple dimensions and you

870
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,240
know and i joke around i'm like go to

871
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,040
the metaphysical bookstore

872
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,280
and there's some really great books that

873
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,960
i think you should read

874
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,359
and then come back and attack your

875
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,599
theory again

876
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:29,679
because i feel like it's information

877
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:34,079
that we've already known

878
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:41,270
in an engineering world uh

879
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,320
and and

880
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,480
you know quantum quantum physics quantum

881
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:46,159
mechanics are as weird as any ghost

882
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,000
story i've ever heard non-locality and

883
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:51,520
wave particle

884
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:54,560
uh i'm surprised yeah dead cat

885
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:55,520
yeah

886
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,550
so

887
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:01,920
i'm surprised that

888
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,480
that that the physics studies of the

889
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:06,160
early 19th century haven't had more of

890
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,520
an impact we we still

891
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,880
you know we still think gravity is an

892
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,720
attractive force and maybe that's

893
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,920
because

894
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,760
warping the time space continuum is too

895
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,079
difficult to get our heads around but it

896
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:19,599
hasn't doesn't seem to have made many

897
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,560
people that much more open to the

898
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:24,480
these kind of

899
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,599
intangible uh aspects of life that we're

900
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:28,880
talking about

901
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,640
um exactly and the physics is you know

902
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,160
that's got to be as tangible as anything

903
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:36,560
if that can't do it then why are we so

904
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:39,200
quick to judge

905
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,030
well

906
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:47,200
it seemed to be uh you know you knock

907
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,640
your hand on the desk and you think

908
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,480
you're hitting solid wood where in fact

909
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,280
it's mainly space you know yeah another

910
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,599
side issue that yeah okay

911
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,359
we'll just move on

912
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,680
earlier you you mentioned a number of

913
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,440
different researchers and one of them

914
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:03,599
was larry scranton and

915
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:04,560
um

916
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,599
in his work on the dogon cosmology he

917
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:09,359
proposes that

918
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,040
each letter that forms a hieroglyphic or

919
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,160
you know a hieroglyphic word

920
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,000
has a meaning

921
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,280
and then if you look at the word the

922
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:23,440
individual words that are grouped

923
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,720
together that the group of symbols

924
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,599
provides the reader with a description

925
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,200
of the word

926
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,640
such as and i was supposed to look this

927
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,200
up but i didn't such as nasa you know we

928
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:38,160
say nasa but it's national aeronautics

929
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,200
space

930
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:41,359
agency agency

931
00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:42,480
um

932
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:45,640
in in your studies do you think that the

933
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,200
hieroglyphics or the sumerian symbols uh

934
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:50,960
the cuneiform

935
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,400
um that there is an intrinsic meaning to

936
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,359
each of their symbols as well oh yeah

937
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:59,359
yeah and

938
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,320
i mean

939
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,640
to think of a hieroglyph automatically i

940
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:04,000
think that it has

941
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,240
many levels of meaning and and and

942
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:10,640
to the point where

943
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:13,359
the placement of the hieroglyph to other

944
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:14,640
hieroglyphs

945
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:17,599
is important in the book we we talk

946
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,190
from the genesis story the the the two

947
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,200
fruits on the two the fruit on the two

948
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:27,440
trees and and uh

949
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:28,560
one is

950
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,880
and the other ones hetz ha

951
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:34,720
same syllables but

952
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,160
because the reversed uh one

953
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,119
implies that one is eating from a fruit

954
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,760
that sustains being over you know your

955
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:45,359
physical life and the other one is just

956
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,240
going to support your physical life so

957
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:50,480
definitely these these symbols these

958
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:53,520
hieroglyphs are just jam-packed with

959
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,960
this symbology this this this uh

960
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,200
information and uh

961
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,440
it's not only what they

962
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,839
what the symbol means but where where it

963
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,000
is in relation to other symbols and and

964
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,000
yeah it's it's

965
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,640
it's quite a quite interesting way of of

966
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,280
containing information whereas we see

967
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,520
the letter a and it's just you know it's

968
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,760
a placeholder uh

969
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,200
the hieroglyphs

970
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,839
were used quite differently and

971
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,440
one can understand that it would take a

972
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,599
lifetime for a scribe in ancient egypt

973
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:28,160
to appreciate

974
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:29,920
what these symbols mean and how the

975
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:32,800
proper use of the symbols

976
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:35,920
what is the proper use of these symbols

977
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,280
and

978
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,560
through that

979
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,000
there's a lot of information that could

980
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,480
be contained in a very small

981
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:44,960
you know small number of hieroglyphs

982
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,880
the challenge is teasing out all that

983
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,160
information

984
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,640
so that it makes sense to you

985
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,119
but it makes me wonder if

986
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,040
part of where we and i'm going to say

987
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,119
went wrong was

988
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:59,760
creating this separation between the

989
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:01,599
meaning of

990
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:13,349
yeah i don't know where that that

991
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:19,349
i i blame a lot of our modern day

992
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,280
misconceptions on the greeks and i don't

993
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,720
know if this is another case where i

994
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,720
should be

995
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,240
complaining again about the greeks or

996
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,880
not uh

997
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:31,040
the greek you know much of our modern

998
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:32,400
day cultures

999
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,480
traced back to the greeks and

1000
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,480
you know democracy it was invented by

1001
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,800
the greeks but in fact many of the early

1002
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,760
greek philosophers were trained in egypt

1003
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,599
we just didn't we're not taught that we

1004
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:45,200
don't we don't know that

1005
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,240
uh

1006
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:48,000
we don't generally know that

1007
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:49,119
um

1008
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,800
so you know the the some of the

1009
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:53,119
intermediate inter intermediate

1010
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,640
civilizations

1011
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:56,960
certainly have influenced what we've

1012
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:59,200
received from the ancient cultures

1013
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:00,480
um

1014
00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:07,750
sort out who said what when and why they

1015
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:08,839
said it

1016
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:12,800
um i i don't know where placeholders

1017
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,760
came about in terms of an alphabet

1018
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,760
i mean because even judaism has

1019
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:19,280
intrinsic meaning

1020
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,160
uh hebrew as interesting meaning to

1021
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:23,520
their letters

1022
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:26,079
runes have intrinsic meaning to their

1023
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:27,200
letters

1024
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,880
and i don't

1025
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,240
you know we can blame it all on the

1026
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,430
i like the phoenicians

1027
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,880
i know but didn't they aren't they the

1028
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,480
first ones to come up with like an

1029
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:40,240
alphabet alphabet

1030
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:41,280
uh

1031
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,800
yeah

1032
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,720
people blame them okay and they were

1033
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:46,000
everywhere

1034
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,320
they did travel all over the world uh

1035
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,680
and they did pass a lot of their

1036
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,480
information onto the greeks as well so

1037
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,680
and we don't really know any of their

1038
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,119
names so

1039
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:56,720
it's all good

1040
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,680
um

1041
00:41:02,230 --> 00:40:59,440
the only phoenician i know named is

1042
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:02,240
parmenides who is some he's claimed to

1043
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:03,440
be greek but he was actually a

1044
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:05,839
phoenician that came out of

1045
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,240
the turkey when when the things

1046
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,560
went bad so but you're right there isn't

1047
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,400
a whole lot known about uh about the

1048
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,480
individuals and uh

1049
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,280
um yep maybe they were the ones that put

1050
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:19,040
placeholders but i'd have to i'll have

1051
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,560
to look into that a bit more

1052
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,560
okay

1053
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,400
interesting um

1054
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,480
okay so let's kind of shift gear and

1055
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:28,160
spend some time

1056
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:29,680
in the beginning

1057
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,720
and talk about some creation myths

1058
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,560
so in your investigation

1059
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:36,640
have you found parallels between the

1060
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,880
bible and other creation stories

1061
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,040
i'd flip it around the bible is very

1062
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,359
derivative

1063
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,200
it came out right it came it was

1064
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:48,960
compiled

1065
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,670
sort of

1066
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,480
2000 years after the sumerian

1067
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,560
and ancient egyptians were writing about

1068
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,960
the netherworld writing about the flood

1069
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,400
writing about

1070
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,000
separation from heaven and earth and

1071
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:06,000
water from from land and those sorts of

1072
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:07,119
things

1073
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,079
so

1074
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,000
depending how you look at it

1075
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,319
uh i i don't

1076
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,000
the the bible came much later and

1077
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,480
absolutely the this many of the

1078
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,400
the principal images

1079
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,480
came from from cultures and

1080
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:22,640
civilizations that predated

1081
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,280
uh christianity by

1082
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:27,520
by two thousand years

1083
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:31,680
the challenge is uh keeping in mind that

1084
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,800
the old testament of the bible

1085
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,800
really had to do with the abraham

1086
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,319
lineage

1087
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:40,960
which was kind of shared by sumerian and

1088
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,440
egyptians

1089
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,760
so it you know it's easy to yeah it's

1090
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,000
quite easy to go back and and the flood

1091
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,400
is definitely comes from samaria the

1092
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,520
tale of gilgamesh uh three thousand two

1093
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:56,000
thousand five hundred years bc

1094
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,280
um

1095
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,520
and and has

1096
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,520
been included in in a number of

1097
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,040
different literatures right right up

1098
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,480
into the bible

1099
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:06,319
um

1100
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,720
creation myth that we uh we we mention

1101
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:13,040
in in the book has to do with you know

1102
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:14,720
the initial

1103
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:18,240
separating heaven from earth uh again

1104
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:21,839
two thousand three thousand years bc

1105
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,079
these ideas were well developed long

1106
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:26,640
before uh you know christianity took

1107
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,920
hold

1108
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,319
the the sumerian culture is an amazing

1109
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:32,480
culture that that western world really

1110
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,760
doesn't

1111
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:35,440
know much about and i think that's a

1112
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:36,400
real

1113
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:37,280
uh

1114
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,240
a real

1115
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,480
misfortune because uh

1116
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,000
in in sumer

1117
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,400
uh they had literature they were writing

1118
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,000
they had written language they had

1119
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:48,880
libraries they they wrote laws and where

1120
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,200
most of us are taught that hammurabi the

1121
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,200
babylonian created the first code of law

1122
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,880
well the sumerians did it a thousand

1123
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,400
years before that

1124
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,240
so there's a lot in in the sumerian

1125
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,119
culture that that

1126
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,359
i think well there's a lot that we

1127
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,359
should pay more attention to

1128
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:07,040
as providing

1129
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:08,800
the initial routes for a lot of these

1130
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,710
so

1131
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,000
you know if i

1132
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:18,960
think about the bible um you know just

1133
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,760
that creation you know genesis one

1134
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,800
through

1135
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:24,240
whatever

1136
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,000
first five no

1137
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,470
no i'm just talking about like genesis 1

1138
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,480
through 10 or i don't know i would have

1139
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:34,400
to look it up okay no in the beginning

1140
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,160
god created the heavens and the earth

1141
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,839
and the earth was wasted void and

1142
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:39,680
darkness covered the abyss and the

1143
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,319
spirit of god floated across the waters

1144
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,880
and then god said let there be light

1145
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:47,040
boom and there was light and see and

1146
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,880
that's just from memory and that's bad

1147
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:50,400
that's really scary when you can just

1148
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,390
well

1149
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,880
i can i can read you the uh the sumerian

1150
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,720
equivalent from 2000 years before the

1151
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:00,960
bible it's i can read that

1152
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,680
the sumerian creation that starts

1153
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,680
in days of yore in the distant days of

1154
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,839
yore in nights of yore in the far off

1155
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,079
nights of yore in the years of yore in

1156
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,640
the distant years of yore when necessary

1157
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,480
things have been brought into manifest

1158
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,319
existence when the

1159
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,160
necessary things had been for the first

1160
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,480
time set in order when bread had been

1161
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:22,319
tasted for the first time in the shrines

1162
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:23,520
of the land

1163
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,560
to work when the heavens had been

1164
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,960
separated from earth when earth had been

1165
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,119
delimited from the heavens

1166
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,040
when the fame of mankind had been

1167
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,240
established and it goes on doesn't that

1168
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:37,680
sound familiar

1169
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,240
but i think it's interesting where

1170
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,280
it even is making reference to

1171
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,680
a time prior to

1172
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:51,680
the formation of

1173
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,640
anything much less the earth

1174
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,960
you know kind of going back and i'll go

1175
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:58,160
you know use a

1176
00:46:03,030 --> 00:45:59,839
kind of like the you know going back to

1177
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,040
the big bang or whatever it was you know

1178
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,000
making reference to that

1179
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:08,880
let's shift gears a bit then okay

1180
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,599
the way lloyd and i presented is what

1181
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,280
it's talking about is

1182
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:14,880
the creation of

1183
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:18,319
me out of a void so i'm the void so i'm

1184
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,720
that homogeneous undifferentiated

1185
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,640
thing that mass

1186
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,240
and what we

1187
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:28,560
what we see in the creation myths is an

1188
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,640
excellent description of what goes into

1189
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,839
me as

1190
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:33,280
moving from that

1191
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,560
void into something that

1192
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,800
has being something that's separated

1193
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:40,960
from the world whether it's heaven from

1194
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,800
earth mind from body soul from spirit

1195
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:46,800
we don't see them as talking about

1196
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,599
physical things or physicality

1197
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,960
so much as

1198
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,280
oh yeah it's talking about those early

1199
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:56,240
moments of awakening when i was

1200
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,599
barely a kid and i remember waking up to

1201
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,480
seeing myself and i was

1202
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,640
and we see that this differentiation

1203
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:07,440
between heavens and earth and and

1204
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:09,920
land and water in other cases has to do

1205
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,560
with those early moments of awakening to

1206
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:15,119
holy cow i'm alive and i'm here and i've

1207
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:15,920
got

1208
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,440
at times and you know all the things

1209
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:22,800
that that we

1210
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,560
we eventually

1211
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:26,319
learn about ourselves

1212
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:29,839
so that's our take on on creation myths

1213
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,400
in terms of it's telling it is providing

1214
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,640
us with a language that helps us to see

1215
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,240
our own development

1216
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:38,480
and it may be about creation of physical

1217
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:42,079
worlds but in our in our interests

1218
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,440
there's much more to be gained by

1219
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:45,839
applying it to ourselves and saying oh

1220
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,319
yeah i'm awake you know i was awake at a

1221
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,240
time and i wasn't before

1222
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:52,720
and uh so yeah that's the shift in gears

1223
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,599
is that

1224
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,599
we think of it more as a sort of an

1225
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:57,119
internal uh

1226
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,550
i mean that's a really interesting

1227
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:06,640
concept or a really interesting

1228
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:11,990
and you're relating that to

1229
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,240
consciousness or are you relating that

1230
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,520
to the whole

1231
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:19,920
i'm going to say just for lack of better

1232
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,640
words uh experience on the third

1233
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,880
dimensional plane you know the conscious

1234
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,880
awareness as well as the physical aware

1235
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,280
you know physical being here

1236
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,800
yeah

1237
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:32,000
all that

1238
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:35,760
i well let me let me let me

1239
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:38,079
tell a little story about when i

1240
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:40,160
when i was very young

1241
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,670
it was christmas time

1242
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,720
and

1243
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,640
i had my nose pressed up to the glass

1244
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:52,720
and

1245
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,680
santa claus walked down the street

1246
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,920
and to this day i still have an

1247
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,359
incredibly

1248
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,119
incredible feeling

1249
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:03,520
of awakening at that time

1250
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,800
i saw santa claus and and in addition to

1251
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,640
seeing all my gifts you know go flying

1252
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,160
out the window because i wasn't in bed

1253
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:12,319
santa claus was around but i remember

1254
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,599
that moment

1255
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,599
it was the first time i remember being

1256
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,280
paul

1257
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,119
i was awake and

1258
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,760
i separated myself from all the things

1259
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,240
that had gone around me now at that

1260
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,280
point in time i i i

1261
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:29,440
hadn't even gone to school i mean you

1262
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:31,839
know where consciousness philosophy you

1263
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,480
know those things didn't exist

1264
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:37,119
but that movement existed and

1265
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:38,160
and

1266
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,760
it it probably led to much of what i've

1267
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,520
studied since then trying to understand

1268
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,319
what that moment was when i woke up

1269
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,960
and i wasn't awake before then and i was

1270
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:50,559
for the moment and

1271
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,280
such as life i i went i probably went

1272
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:55,119
back to sleep again because i i got

1273
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,839
hungry or something

1274
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,480
so

1275
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,200
that that's you know that that's my

1276
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,680
struggle to communicate to you what that

1277
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,319
was and and to me that was creation it

1278
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:07,920
was creation

1279
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,800
in in a in a in a way that was very

1280
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,800
direct and very personal

1281
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,599
and

1282
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,760
i probably had a few moments of that

1283
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:18,000
since then but that was the first one

1284
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,119
and

1285
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,040
that was my first first point of being

1286
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,390
and so you were able to

1287
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,040
identify

1288
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,400
kind of your soul in that moment like

1289
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,280
you were able to be you fully

1290
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,760
present in that moment is that what

1291
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,240
you're saying yeah before that moment i

1292
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,960
was a void i was just you know

1293
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,079
there was

1294
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,400
i mean i was a kid obviously and

1295
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:48,319
but at that point

1296
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,440
something changed and

1297
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,640
and i'm still i'm probably still trying

1298
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,160
to figure that out that's probably why

1299
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,800
we got into myths and their

1300
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,640
their ability to describe some of these

1301
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,640
processes in us that

1302
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:02,559
that we really don't have the words for

1303
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,319
in in modern day world

1304
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,440
we think that

1305
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,280
the ancients were struggling in the same

1306
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,920
way we are today to try to describe

1307
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:14,000
those moments of awakening in our lives

1308
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,880
that

1309
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,319
we really don't have good good

1310
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,880
description for

1311
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,960
i mean if i if i told you this morning i

1312
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:22,880
was on the back deck in the sunshine and

1313
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:25,760
had a crisp apple which tasted sweet

1314
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:28,079
you'd have a pretty good sense of what

1315
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,520
what i was experiencing even though

1316
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,760
we've you know never met

1317
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:33,040
to talk about

1318
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,760
consciousness or being or soul

1319
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:38,640
i

1320
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,400
that that make any sense to me as well

1321
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,079
as to somebody else

1322
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,480
and we think that the myths provide us

1323
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,040
with some examples of some of that

1324
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,280
description

1325
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,359
can you give another example do we find

1326
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:54,960
anything that comes out of maybe

1327
00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:58,480
egyptian cosmology to

1328
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,480
give us another insight into that um

1329
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,480
another story we deal with is gilgamesh

1330
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:06,880
uh this is the sumerian myth that was

1331
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:08,960
written down by the babylonians and

1332
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:11,680
i love gilgamesh yeah oh it's a great

1333
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:15,040
story i mean and it led to hercules and

1334
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:16,880
all sorts of other later

1335
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:19,920
later stories uh gilgamesh story

1336
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,510
the story about a demigod someone

1337
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:27,119
you know god wow

1338
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,720
pretty powerful even if he's half a god

1339
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,880
he's still pretty powerful

1340
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:33,119
but he's wrecking havoc in in his

1341
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,319
homeland and he's you know taking

1342
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,160
young brides to bed before they get with

1343
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,839
their husbands and

1344
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,760
and so the solution

1345
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:44,079
uh that is put in place is that they

1346
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,960
they partnered the demigod up with the

1347
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,480
enkidu

1348
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:50,400
and encadu is

1349
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,119
you know a hairy uh

1350
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,200
person being from

1351
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:58,079
from the forest and together the the god

1352
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,839
and the animal side are they do great

1353
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,599
things they cut down

1354
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,960
uh

1355
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,640
they cut down the forest and they they

1356
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,559
killed a bull of heaven and

1357
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,119
but eventually enkidu the animal side

1358
00:53:12,829 --> 00:53:11,839
dies and and gilgamesh has a strong

1359
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:12,839
desire for

1360
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,440
immortality and he goes on and he does

1361
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,839
great things and eventually he ends up

1362
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,920
with the flower

1363
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,160
which holds the key to his immortality

1364
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,000
his whole life he's worked for this and

1365
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,720
now he has it in his hand

1366
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,319
and towards the end of the story what

1367
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:30,160
does gilgamesh do but he lies down

1368
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,839
beside the pool and goes to sleep and a

1369
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:33,920
snake snatches the flower and he and he

1370
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:37,280
loses his chance at immortality

1371
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,160
from my point of view that describes so

1372
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,480
many instances in my life where

1373
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:44,240
i set out to

1374
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,440
whether it's pay attention to my

1375
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:47,920
breathing or you know sense my lower

1376
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,359
body or

1377
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,440
and ultimately when i think i'm getting

1378
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:53,440
close to success i go to sleep and i get

1379
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,680
lost either by ambition or ego and so

1380
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,280
that's that's one of the aspects of the

1381
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:01,440
gilgamesh story that we tease owed is is

1382
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:02,240
this

1383
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:03,359
um

1384
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,240
this

1385
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:06,720
difficulty of even a demigod to sort of

1386
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,280
stick with an intention

1387
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:11,440
to to to uh

1388
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:13,119
to something that's very important to

1389
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,839
him

1390
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,599
and and we feel that the story of

1391
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:17,760
gilgamesh really captures that whole

1392
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,559
aspect of my own desire to improve and

1393
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:22,400
and you know awaken

1394
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,440
uh

1395
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,119
so that you know i spend most of my life

1396
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:27,599
asleep maybe i think most people do

1397
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,559
uh

1398
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,960
and and this story seems to give us some

1399
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,359
language to explain why well i know

1400
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,280
explains it but at least puts it out

1401
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,200
there in black and white you're likely

1402
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,040
to fall asleep at the moment you need to

1403
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,640
be awake and

1404
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,000
and off we'll go your flower of

1405
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,920
immortality and and

1406
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:45,440
you'll be back to where you where to

1407
00:54:54,790 --> 00:54:52,950
yeah i just keep going back to

1408
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,800
that's one of the earliest places where

1409
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:57,040
we find out that they had a belief in

1410
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,280
ghosts sorry don't mean to go there but

1411
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:01,359
i'm going there

1412
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,880
i'm deaf

1413
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:05,119
i'm not against ghosts

1414
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,559
no i don't know you keep you were

1415
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talking about the dead stuff so now i'm

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00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:12,319
like on this ghost thing sorry

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00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:13,839
yeah are ghosts dead they seem pretty

1418
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,160
alive aren't they

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00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:18,640
well yeah i mean to me

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um

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00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:22,319
yeah but one of the things about the uh

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00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,079
gilgamesh story is that it's

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00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,559
it's kind of like the hero's journey you

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00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:30,880
know and he has to achieve certain

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things in order to

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00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,400
get his just dessert

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00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,559
um with but you know but it does have

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00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:40,960
that very ironic ending

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00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,760
um which is kind of like you know the

1430
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:45,839
modern day cliffhanger it's like okay so

1431
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,280
what's he gonna do next

1432
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,599
but that hero journey is is my journey i

1433
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,880
mean that that's

1434
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:55,440
that's what we that's you know how can i

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00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:57,040
be a full person

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00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,720
how can i i mean

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00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:00,720
you know

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00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,680
and uh

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00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,440
maybe this is a time to point out that

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we don't define consciousness in the

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book because in fact

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we're not talking about awakening

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00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:12,880
highest consciousness we're talking

1444
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,280
about awakening higher consciousness

1445
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,880
and this recognizes the fact that we do

1446
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,280
spend most of our life asleep

1447
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,440
we you know we're hungry so we eat

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00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:23,119
something or you know i'm tired we go to

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00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:24,319
bed

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but

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you know what i was saying earlier that

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there are moments when i'm more than

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that so

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00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:32,240
why the difference why can't i live

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00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,760
you know at that higher level all the

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time

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and

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the hero's journey is

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00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,720
you know

1460
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,920
i think it's

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00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,520
in some ways more difficult to be awake

1462
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:45,599
right now as it would be to cut down a

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00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:46,880
forest

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00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,000
uh we we feel that the the ancients were

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00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,599
trying to capture these

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00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,079
subtle processes that go on in us that

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in a way that helps us recognize them as

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00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:59,040
real processes and also help us try to

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00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,799
pay attention may pay more attention to

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00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,559
them so maybe i'll be a little bit more

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00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:04,160
awake maybe i'll be a little bit more

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00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:10,230
do you think our ancestors were able to

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00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,510
definitely

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00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,640
deeper

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00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,000
meaning to it

1476
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:22,160
yeah i think there's always exceptional

1477
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,760
people around that are aware of this i

1478
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:25,599
mean

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00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,520
you know i met some people in that in my

1480
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,119
life that you know they were they were

1481
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,440
very you know they had being they had

1482
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,000
presence they

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00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,319
they had more substance than than other

1484
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,280
people i had been

1485
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:41,280
whether there were more of those people

1486
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:42,480
long ago

1487
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,760
than now i

1488
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:45,680
you know that it's kind of speculative i

1489
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,119
i don't really know but certainly there

1490
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:49,680
were enough of them back then to

1491
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,480
to

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00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,240
capture these images in the in the kind

1493
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,559
of phrase that i read and the literature

1494
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:56,880
that they wrote so that it was preserved

1495
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,119
and and you know whether we encounter it

1496
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:01,680
in the bible as as the bible story or

1497
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:02,799
whether we

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00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,119
encounter it in sumerian or egyptian

1499
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,640
hieroglyphs

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00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:09,359
somebody also obviously knew this was

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00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:12,079
important enough to uh

1502
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,870
now

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00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:20,400
i guess i'm just getting a little bit

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00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:23,520
stuck because if it was

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00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,319
uh

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00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,200
important to just a finite group of

1507
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:29,760
people then why would

1508
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:33,040
a population keep reiterating like the

1509
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,640
gilgamesh story i don't remember how

1510
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:37,359
many different fragments they found of

1511
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:39,520
it where they were finally able to put

1512
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,680
the whole story together but i mean

1513
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,520
there are multiple multiple multiple

1514
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:46,319
copies of it generated and so it seems

1515
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,160
like it was a popular narrative as well

1516
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,200
yeah i understand it was sort of an oral

1517
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:55,599
tradition it was just spoken by

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00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,720
these amazing people in in in

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00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,400
the caucus region you know these people

1520
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,400
could remember you know thousands of

1521
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:04,240
phrases and they would get together and

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00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:05,280
this was

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00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:07,040
the early early replacement for

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00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,960
television whereas you know the these

1525
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:10,799
people would come and recite the story

1526
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,599
verbatim you know every every couple of

1527
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,359
you know i know every month or you know

1528
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,680
every season sort of thing

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00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,280
so

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a good myth has uh

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00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:22,559
you know

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00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:25,200
has those raunchy pieces they also have

1533
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:28,319
the higher pieces and

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00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,760
i think if you're just interested in

1535
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:32,079
entertainment i think one will focus on

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on the raunchy pieces

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00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:35,760
if you if you're in search of something

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more uh the

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most good myths all good myths would

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have something more to offer you in

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terms of your

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your training and your your

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education well on that note we need to

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go to break

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hour if you are up and around tonight

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i'll be on coast to coast talking about

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my books e.t chronicles what myth of

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legend has to say about human origins as

1691
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1695
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anyway we've been here talking to paul

1696
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:34,950
about his book awakening higher

1697
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:37,520
consciousness guidance from ancient

1698
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:40,000
egypt and sumner

1699
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,680
paul

1700
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,359
you know we got so busy talking and i

1701
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:46,079
didn't like organize my thoughts

1702
01:07:49,349 --> 01:07:47,599
um

1703
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:49,359
oh i know one of the things i wanted to

1704
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:51,280
ask you um we've been talking about

1705
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:54,240
creation stories and just about

1706
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,200
mythology the the narrative and i'm

1707
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:00,240
going to say prose that we find in early

1708
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:03,280
early mythology in that whole creation

1709
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,880
myth cycle

1710
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:06,559
one of the things that i find

1711
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,799
fascinating and i don't have an

1712
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:10,799
explanation for

1713
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:13,359
is that um

1714
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:16,560
in each in the egyptian creation myths

1715
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:18,719
they tend to be written in the first

1716
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:22,719
person you know i am this and i am this

1717
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,000
which really falls out of convention

1718
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:29,120
of what we find in a lot of other mythic

1719
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,319
traditions

1720
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:33,359
any thoughts on that or do you find a

1721
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:35,679
difference in the way that that material

1722
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:37,359
is being presented

1723
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:38,400
it's the latter

1724
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:40,000
it's the way the materials being

1725
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:41,839
presented

1726
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:43,839
the hieroglyphs are such a condensed

1727
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:49,990
there's no symbol there's no hieroglyph

1728
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:52,480
necessarily for i am you know in terms

1729
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:55,440
of you know i am god or

1730
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:57,440
there's generally a hieroglyph that one

1731
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,199
has to

1732
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:01,040
to to read in

1733
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:03,679
to that hieroglyph whether it's i or he

1734
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,239
or she or it and this has caused

1735
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,640
obviously a lot of problems for for

1736
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,199
interpreters and and it's not my not my

1737
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:13,359
expertise but

1738
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:17,040
when when we looked at the pyramid text

1739
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:18,239
the um

1740
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:22,319
these pyramid texts were

1741
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:23,920
were written

1742
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:25,759
with a pharaoh in mind because obviously

1743
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,159
the pharaoh had constructed the the

1744
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:30,319
pyramid complex and some people

1745
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:33,279
translated as you know i am raw and some

1746
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:35,839
have translated as unass

1747
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:39,279
is raw and they're both valid

1748
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,279
uh

1749
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:43,359
interpretations of the hieroglyphs so i

1750
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:44,640
i don't think

1751
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:49,199
into how it's presented

1752
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,040
i don't know if you like leaving open

1753
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:53,120
and loosey-goosey like that or not but

1754
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,560
that's kind of the way they they

1755
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:56,560
presented their their their language and

1756
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:59,120
their concepts

1757
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:00,800
well i was just wondering from a

1758
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:03,520
consciousness point of view if there

1759
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:04,800
would be

1760
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,480
more intrinsic power with the notion of

1761
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:11,040
i am or i

1762
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,440
versus you know presenting it from a

1763
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:15,360
third person where you have to actually

1764
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:19,040
step into that other person's shoes

1765
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:21,840
for me i like i like the i am i

1766
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,760
it does make it more direct and more

1767
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:26,239
immediate but i have to be careful that

1768
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:34,470
the egyptians another insight into this

1769
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:36,159
sometimes the egyptian would would draw

1770
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:38,320
a picture or an image as if you were

1771
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:39,520
looking at it

1772
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:41,120
you know facing it you know left and

1773
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:42,560
right reversed and sometimes it

1774
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,960
presented as if you were looking out

1775
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,080
from it

1776
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:48,560
so sometimes even the hieroglyphs go

1777
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:49,920
from left to right and some go from

1778
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:51,360
right to left so

1779
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,600
there's all sorts of uh

1780
01:10:55,870 --> 01:10:54,640
higher

1781
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:55,880
deeper

1782
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:58,400
interpretations for for the language in

1783
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:59,840
terms of how it should be read and how

1784
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:01,600
you should look at it

1785
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,159
that that reflect this you know where is

1786
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:06,400
the where's the observer in relation to

1787
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,470
and where we always write left to right

1788
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:14,719
you know i mean we talked earlier about

1789
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,199
place markers uh

1790
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:19,120
they had a much different view of the

1791
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:22,400
world and and uh

1792
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,520
their

1793
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:25,760
the relationship of one to the other you

1794
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:28,800
know a thing to another is is really

1795
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:31,360
highly developed

1796
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:32,880
we look at the

1797
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:34,640
schwaller de lubitz i don't know if you

1798
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:37,679
you know that that author

1799
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:41,280
he spent 20 years i believe in the

1800
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:44,880
temple of luxor on in in egypt

1801
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:46,000
and

1802
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:47,280
he's written a number of books home

1803
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,800
published by inner traditions our

1804
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,400
publisher

1805
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:51,840
but one of the interesting things he

1806
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:53,199
found is that

1807
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,000
in in some cases of the temple of luxor

1808
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:00,480
there'd be an image on on

1809
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:03,520
one side of the wall in one room

1810
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:05,520
which required

1811
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:07,840
the image on the back side of the wall

1812
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:11,199
in the other room to complete the story

1813
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:12,000
again

1814
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:15,120
it's beyond my understanding of of

1815
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:16,800
egyptian but

1816
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,040
one can get a sense of the complexity of

1817
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,440
their thought by by imagining how you

1818
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,360
would build a

1819
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:26,000
a temple that that required you to put

1820
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:27,440
two pieces together that you could never

1821
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:33,430
very interesting kind of concepts in

1822
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:34,800
terms of how you're presenting things

1823
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:38,640
that way so the i-u is is a similar

1824
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:41,440
thing a similar example of

1825
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,320
they got very very very complex in their

1826
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:46,320
their representation

1827
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:48,800
do you find that level of complexity in

1828
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:51,280
the pyramid text

1829
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:53,120
absolutely the the

1830
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:56,159
you know the pyramid texts

1831
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:57,840
well one of the challenges that we

1832
01:13:02,310 --> 01:12:59,440
address in the book is

1833
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:02,320
we look at the pyramid texts

1834
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:04,080
as

1835
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:06,800
instructions of initiation for a living

1836
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:11,590
whereas others have looked at it and

1837
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:13,520
said well it's just prayers over a dead

1838
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,640
pharaoh

1839
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:16,320
i'm willing to argue the point but it's

1840
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,000
a much more interesting story and much

1841
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,400
more vital literature to think that it's

1842
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:21,920
written for someone that's

1843
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,480
alive and interested in higher planes of

1844
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,239
consciousness and and

1845
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:28,640
you know the netherworld is is a

1846
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:31,840
is a real dimensional uh existence for

1847
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:34,800
these higher higher beings

1848
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:37,679
so absolutely the complexity

1849
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,440
is is is

1850
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:42,000
is really quite astounding considering

1851
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:44,560
the the the compression of higher of

1852
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:47,120
information in the hieroglyphs

1853
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:48,960
i want one

1854
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:50,159
if i may

1855
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:52,800
one of the lloyd and i uh managed to

1856
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:54,960
spend a couple of visits in the king's

1857
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,760
chamber in the great pyramid of

1858
01:14:02,709 --> 01:13:59,120
of giza

1859
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:03,910
we

1860
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:06,800
had a moment when there was only

1861
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:09,360
two of us in in this special place i

1862
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:11,280
mean it's a

1863
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:14,000
it's a phenomenal room

1864
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:17,440
in the middle of this huge pile of stone

1865
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:18,880
and we

1866
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:22,000
hummed we hummed

1867
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,040
a note and and

1868
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:27,520
the whole chamber

1869
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:30,080
vibrated it it felt like the whole world

1870
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:31,679
was vibrating

1871
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:34,480
with very little you know very low hum

1872
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:36,159
very little energy on our part the whole

1873
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:37,840
world seemed to sort of pick up on what

1874
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,960
we're doing

1875
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:40,880
and and so that

1876
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:43,520
it's another example of the kind of

1877
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,520
experience that the egyptians built into

1878
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:47,360
their structures is that

1879
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:48,640
they could

1880
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:52,560
amass this huge mound of stone and yet

1881
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:55,440
have it so subtle and so full of energy

1882
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:58,560
that that a simple note could could

1883
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:02,159
resonate through all the chamber so

1884
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:04,000
i think there's there's much more we

1885
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,920
still have to learn about the egyptians

1886
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:07,280
and and

1887
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,440
and knowledge they had and how they

1888
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:11,600
tried to convey it whether it was in the

1889
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:13,360
actual architecture whether it was in

1890
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:15,120
the images carved on the wall whether it

1891
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:17,120
was the literature

1892
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,719
there's a huge wealth of information

1893
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:20,640
that we're just starting to tease out i

1894
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:22,159
think

1895
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,800
well with the pyramid text

1896
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:27,120
excuse me

1897
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,360
wouldn't they couldn't they have been

1898
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:32,159
for the pharaoh to use in order to help

1899
01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:34,159
him get into the neither world

1900
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:36,840
absolutely yes yes

1901
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:40,159
that's that makes the most sense

1902
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:41,280
of all the

1903
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:43,840
possibilities uh

1904
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:45,040
most people don't realize that the

1905
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:46,560
pyramid

1906
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:58,159
by the egyptians

1907
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:01,040
but every one was the pyramid was just

1908
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:04,080
part of a larger complex

1909
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,280
they were surrounded by a a wall which

1910
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,440
which contained the space

1911
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:11,440
the pyramid itself was always entered

1912
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,679
through a a temple which

1913
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,360
bridged

1914
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:17,520
which allowed the person or allowed

1915
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:19,760
passage from the outside world into the

1916
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:22,400
the walled area into the pyramid

1917
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:25,040
but fascinatingly enough the

1918
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:27,199
the temple the pyramid

1919
01:16:32,830 --> 01:16:30,080
was connected to the the riverbank of

1920
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:32,840
the nile by an enclosed

1921
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:35,760
causeway and at the river side there was

1922
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:38,560
another pyramid another temple

1923
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,080
so what

1924
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:42,800
what we envision is that the pharaoh the

1925
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:45,120
initiative the the person to be

1926
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:49,120
instructed would arrive uh on the river

1927
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:52,400
to this riverside temple valley temple

1928
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,520
and

1929
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,440
make their way through an enclosed

1930
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,600
causeway which uh

1931
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,000
maybe about a mile long i guess

1932
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:02,400
and in in the case of uh

1933
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,760
at least one uh of the ancient pyramids

1934
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:08,159
uh the pyramid of unas

1935
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:10,640
in the in the ceiling of this enclosed

1936
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:13,440
causeway was a slit which would allow

1937
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:17,840
the person to look up and see the sky

1938
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:19,760
so the person would arrive by boat go to

1939
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:21,679
the the temple go up through this

1940
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:22,960
causeway

1941
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,920
looking at the stars he'd have another

1942
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:27,440
temple to pass through before he

1943
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,040
actually got into the

1944
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:31,360
the pyramid and then on the walls inside

1945
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:32,800
the chambers of the pyramid would be

1946
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:34,480
written the pyramid text

1947
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:36,320
so

1948
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,239
it makes perfect sense that this would

1949
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:40,719
be an initiation sort of process that

1950
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:43,440
would uh be part of the preparation of

1951
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:45,120
the pharaoh for what he was about to

1952
01:17:48,149 --> 01:17:46,080
read

1953
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:48,159
you know he wouldn't just pull up in his

1954
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,080
you know sedan chair or something and

1955
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:51,920
hop in the pyramid

1956
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:53,679
there were all these other parts of the

1957
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,080
journey that would take him from

1958
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:58,719
uh the river nile and then place them

1959
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:01,679
inside of the pyramid to be able to to

1960
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:03,840
read these pyramid texts

1961
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:05,199
so

1962
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:07,440
it's very much a

1963
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:09,280
an initiative

1964
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:11,760
process that that would prepare him for

1965
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:13,920
you know reading these texts which would

1966
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:16,080
not have been open to everybody you know

1967
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,239
there's not i don't think the general

1968
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:20,239
public in egypt would have

1969
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:21,760
made this journey i think a number of

1970
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:24,320
very select people would and uh

1971
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,320
and so the pyramid text written on the

1972
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:28,320
walls would be uh

1973
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:30,159
would be just one piece of this whole

1974
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:32,400
journey and and contain just one kind of

1975
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,000
the kind of information that they would

1976
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:36,719
have been exposed to

1977
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:38,320
well and the part that i find

1978
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:44,630
it was put up

1979
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:45,520
you know if

1980
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:47,920
it is some of the earliest writing but

1981
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:50,640
they had a full understanding of

1982
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:53,199
vocabulary they had a full understanding

1983
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,719
of grammar

1984
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:56,880
and

1985
01:19:00,630 --> 01:18:58,560
you know they built

1986
01:19:02,229 --> 01:19:00,640
where did that all come from i mean even

1987
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:02,239
the sumerians but you know by the time

1988
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:04,320
they started writing it wasn't like they

1989
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:06,560
were just doing chicken scratch they had

1990
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:10,400
a full-blown system of writing that just

1991
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:12,880
bang here it is

1992
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:16,239
yeah when i say 2500 years before christ

1993
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:18,320
you know that that was the pinnacle that

1994
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:20,080
was you're right that was that was the

1995
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:21,040
top

1996
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:26,229
where do they come from yeah we don't

1997
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:29,840
you know there's some some ideas and uh

1998
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:31,199
uh

1999
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:35,920
tepe being

2000
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,320
tied to a megalithic culture and then

2001
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:40,640
the egyptian being tied to a megalithic

2002
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:42,159
culture

2003
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:43,120
you know

2004
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:44,000
there's

2005
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:46,320
8 000 years between

2006
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:49,920
the dating of the gobekli tepe and and

2007
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:51,600
the building or the you know the

2008
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:53,199
apparent uh

2009
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:55,679
building of the the egyptian pyramids

2010
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:58,239
eight thousand years is a long time to

2011
01:20:01,510 --> 01:20:00,000
to develop literature to develop

2012
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:01,520
concepts

2013
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:04,800
uh you know it's only been 2000 years

2014
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:07,120
since i would say the time of christ and

2015
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:08,560
we've gone from

2016
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,640
sandals and donkeys to sending

2017
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:12,480
spaceships out so eight thousand years

2018
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:15,040
between gobekli tepe and uh

2019
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:16,880
in ancient egypt there's a lot of time

2020
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:18,800
there that we we don't really know what

2021
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:19,600
uh

2022
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,560
what was going on

2023
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:24,480
but it just seems like there's a giant

2024
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,920
void

2025
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:27,360
that's the part that's just so

2026
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:30,840
frustrating is there's a giant void of

2027
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:34,080
nothing or very little

2028
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:36,159
very little um

2029
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,239
my career was a marine biologist and i

2030
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:40,320
am curious to know

2031
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:42,880
how much of of this void was caused by

2032
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:43,840
the

2033
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:50,320
sea level rising by

2034
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:53,040
what 300 feet or something and i'm

2035
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:55,120
always intrigued to find to hear stories

2036
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:56,080
about

2037
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:58,159
civilized evidence of civilization being

2038
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:59,120
found

2039
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:01,360
100 feet down under the water and and

2040
01:21:04,630 --> 01:21:02,880
that's happened

2041
01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:04,640
certainly on the west coast of of north

2042
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:06,640
america and such so that void may

2043
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:12,870
and that's very possible that's very

2044
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:15,600
possible so um

2045
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:17,120
yeah we have a lot to learn and maybe

2046
01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:18,159
maybe we'll

2047
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:19,679
you know in our lifetime we'll be able

2048
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:21,280
to see some of these uh some more of

2049
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,280
this evidence trickle out as to

2050
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:25,440
what did happen between

2051
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:26,880
between

2052
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:28,800
12 thousand years ago and two thousand

2053
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:30,800
years ago and uh maybe we'll be able to

2054
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:33,120
fill in uh a few of those uh missing

2055
01:21:40,950 --> 01:21:39,110
well unless the levels keep rising like

2056
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:40,960
they're doing and then you know we'll be

2057
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,800
able to say goodbye to miami next yeah

2058
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:46,480
yeah i wouldn't be buying a property in

2059
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:50,080
miami you know that's that's true yeah

2060
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:50,880
yeah

2061
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:52,880
so i mean that

2062
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:55,840
a 10 000 year perspective an ice age

2063
01:22:03,910 --> 01:22:01,750
gives one a

2064
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:03,920
a deeper appreciation for why there

2065
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,149
again i'm very interested to see the see

2066
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:12,239
the the work done on what i call the

2067
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,679
pyramid culture you know finding

2068
01:22:18,310 --> 01:22:15,760
pyramids all around the world and

2069
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:18,320
trying to date those and and

2070
01:22:28,070 --> 01:22:23,430
um

2071
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:30,629
do you think our goal here on earth is

2072
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:36,550
i say god like

2073
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:43,590
platinus was a

2074
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:44,800
greek

2075
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:47,280
writer and he

2076
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:48,560
actually had a huge influence on

2077
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:51,520
christianity in terms of

2078
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:54,320
writing about his

2079
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:56,400
understanding of the world and how we

2080
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:57,280
are

2081
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:58,639
uh

2082
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:00,960
we're all a piece of god and and we have

2083
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:03,440
an inner urge to return to become more

2084
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:04,480
like

2085
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:09,360
um yeah i think that's tied to awakening

2086
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:11,040
that uh

2087
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,400
that's tied to not being asleep um you

2088
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,320
know not being a stone not being an

2089
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:18,480
animal but being being a man and being

2090
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:19,679
something uh

2091
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:25,669
what that means eventually for me when

2092
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:28,880
i'm ready to to pass away i don't know

2093
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,040
but

2094
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:33,440
the world is more interesting when when

2095
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:39,270
cool

2096
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:40,880
you know and the reason that i'm asking

2097
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:43,600
that is because when kind of going back

2098
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:45,199
to something i said very early in the

2099
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,310
some of the stories of the gods the gods

2100
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:52,880
don't seem very god

2101
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:54,560
like

2102
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:57,600
well the greek gods certainly don't

2103
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:59,199
some of the sumerian ones aren't that

2104
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:01,760
great either

2105
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:05,199
yeah they had their quarrels and uh

2106
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:09,750
yeah

2107
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,920
i don't know it's it's uh

2108
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:13,360
yeah i know if there's such a thing as a

2109
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:16,560
higher gods and lower gods

2110
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,719
you know my my moments of awakening are

2111
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,480
all encompassing so

2112
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:23,040
there's no real differentiation there

2113
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:24,080
um

2114
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:26,560
i i don't know

2115
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,960
i don't know what what what i would get

2116
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,480
if i tried to

2117
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:32,880
just to define those moments of

2118
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:35,600
awakening and go as as god-like and not

2119
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:37,040
so god-like

2120
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:38,719
uh interesting that gilgamesh was a

2121
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:40,320
demigod i mean what's half what's a

2122
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:42,400
demigod i mean

2123
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:48,229
so

2124
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:49,679
yeah to be

2125
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:52,880
be more of a person uh

2126
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:54,880
you know

2127
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:57,360
i would hate to to be on my deathbed and

2128
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:59,440
not think i was alive

2129
01:25:02,790 --> 01:25:01,280
even though i know that a lot of times

2130
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:02,800
i'm not

2131
01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:05,920
a simple example i you know i've been on

2132
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:07,520
those long night journeys where you're

2133
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:08,880
trying to drive from one place to

2134
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:10,000
another and then when you get there is

2135
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:12,639
to drive and

2136
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:15,440
it's happened a couple times that um

2137
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:16,480
driving in the middle of the night and

2138
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:17,679
all of a sudden waking up and all of a

2139
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:19,600
sudden you're aware that you know what's

2140
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:21,280
going on the lights

2141
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:23,360
which only ask begs the question well

2142
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:26,000
where was i a few minutes before

2143
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:27,920
you know you get i i don't know if you

2144
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:29,199
had the experience of driving to work

2145
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:30,159
and then all of a sudden you find

2146
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:31,679
yourself at work and you don't remember

2147
01:25:38,229 --> 01:25:36,310
that sort of

2148
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:38,239
those sorts of experience showed me that

2149
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:40,159
there are levels of consciousness there

2150
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:48,390
another another experience um

2151
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,679
that that

2152
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:51,760
explores these levels of consciousness

2153
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:55,440
uh i've run marathons and uh

2154
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,679
one summer i was

2155
01:26:02,149 --> 01:25:59,520
working to qualify for my boston

2156
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,159
marathon and

2157
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,480
i took it upon myself to count every

2158
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:06,480
step that i ran

2159
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:08,960
that whole summer so

2160
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,320
you know to qualify it requires

2161
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:14,639
you know 50 miles of running a week and

2162
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:17,360
and and whatnot at least that

2163
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:19,520
and i took it upon myself to count every

2164
01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:21,440
step so i'd set my watch and i'd count

2165
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:23,679
up to 60 and the watch would beep and

2166
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:31,510
several times that summer

2167
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,520
i don't know if it was grace or luck or

2168
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,800
whatnot

2169
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:37,040
i found myself running

2170
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:40,000
running down the path and i i was aware

2171
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:41,679
that i was running and breathing and

2172
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:42,880
whatnot

2173
01:26:47,830 --> 01:26:46,159
and i was aware that i was counting

2174
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:47,840
which seemed like a somewhat different

2175
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:50,000
task

2176
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:57,510
a complainer you know a little you know

2177
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:58,960
the image of an angel and devil on your

2178
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:00,639
shoulders

2179
01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:03,199
a little devil appeared on my shoulder

2180
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:05,440
to try to talk me out of counting

2181
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:07,280
you know oh you've counted enough you

2182
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:09,360
know that you don't need to do this you

2183
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:11,840
you've done good stop counting and at

2184
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,400
that moment there was another

2185
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:17,040
awareness of all these knees all these

2186
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,920
eyes operating within myself

2187
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,440
the eye that was running the eye that

2188
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:23,760
was counting the the eye that was

2189
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:25,360
being the devil

2190
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:28,719
and for just a few brief moments

2191
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,320
life seemed totally different it was

2192
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:33,040
like my god all this is going on in me

2193
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,159
and i

2194
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:36,880
i wasn't aware of it

2195
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,480
i would love to be able to live with

2196
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:41,280
that level of awareness for longer i

2197
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:44,239
might go crazy maybe it would be crazy

2198
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:47,040
but it was it was fascinating to to to

2199
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:48,080
see

2200
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:49,760
uh i guess it would be like a mantra

2201
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:52,400
this counting uh sort of engaging enough

2202
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:55,360
of my ego so that these other sides

2203
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:57,840
could make themselves so clearly uh

2204
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:01,679
visible to me so another example of my

2205
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:03,040
own personal

2206
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:05,199
experience of of

2207
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:06,960
higher conscious but lower consciousness

2208
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:07,920
as well

2209
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:10,159
that really convinced me that that yeah

2210
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:12,400
i'm not awake much i'm not i spend most

2211
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:15,520
my time asleep and i think it

2212
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:18,159
it is incumbent on me to try to be

2213
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:20,480
asleep less try to be more awake and

2214
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:22,480
more aware

2215
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:24,239
if that's god like i don't know but that

2216
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:31,750
any thoughts on why we can't be in that

2217
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:34,560
state all the time or

2218
01:28:40,830 --> 01:28:37,520
more often and why it tends to come on

2219
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:40,840
like a fleeting moment and then

2220
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:44,000
disappears from our existence until the

2221
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:45,360
next

2222
01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:52,629
i i've read a lot of people and

2223
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:54,840
no one seems to explain that

2224
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,520
quite no well no one seems to explain it

2225
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:59,440
platinus again i mentioned

2226
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:00,159
he

2227
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:02,080
sort of states it is kind of inevitable

2228
01:29:05,430 --> 01:29:02,880
that

2229
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:05,440
you'll have a moment of grace and then

2230
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:06,560
then

2231
01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:08,400
you have to you know he said you have to

2232
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:10,639
go back or you do go back

2233
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:11,840
uh

2234
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:13,360
you know it's like gilgamesh falling

2235
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:15,199
asleep by the pool there seems to be

2236
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:17,199
something natural in it that i i really

2237
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:27,590
falling asleep by the pool

2238
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:29,669
have my goal snatched out of my hand as

2239
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:37,510
well it was laced the pool was laced and

2240
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:44,229
then the snake came

2241
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:46,960
maybe life maybe life is laced with with

2242
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,440
sleeping pill or something we just

2243
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:51,120
we just are more comfortable being

2244
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:53,440
asleep when when part of us doesn't want

2245
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:58,229
yeah

2246
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:00,560
you know but the concept of having the

2247
01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:03,199
serpent take it away you know takes us

2248
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:04,800
back to that whole

2249
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:13,990
you know bad or evil or that thing too

2250
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:16,070
yeah you know like this is his dream

2251
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:23,590
it's being taken away

2252
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:25,120
but there's something natural about it i

2253
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:26,719
mean it

2254
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:28,000
again i

2255
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:30,000
seem to like being asleep the snake is

2256
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:34,000
just doing what he's doing uh

2257
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:36,960
i just don't have what it takes to

2258
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:38,239
stay awake

2259
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:40,400
to get that flower of immortality back

2260
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,000
home with me

2261
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:44,320
or maybe i have to try again maybe it's

2262
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:46,800
lining me up for my next next big hero

2263
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:49,120
adventure to try to

2264
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:51,199
accomplish what i say is my goal even

2265
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:52,320
though

2266
01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:53,360
i'm

2267
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:57,040
not very adequate to the task

2268
01:31:00,310 --> 01:30:58,560
maybe that's the basis of the hero

2269
01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:00,320
stories is to remind myself that yeah

2270
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:03,760
there is a hero down there somewhere

2271
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:05,679
maybe with time and effort that might

2272
01:31:10,390 --> 01:31:08,320
just help me someday make it

2273
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:10,400
you know the the star wars you know

2274
01:31:19,270 --> 01:31:17,270
i was just thinking of like uh

2275
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:19,280
you know lord of the rings and they're

2276
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:21,360
on the rock and the you know they're

2277
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:25,199
outside of mordor and sam and

2278
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:27,600
frodo or on the rock you know talking

2279
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:29,440
about do you think they'll tell stories

2280
01:31:38,550 --> 01:31:35,990
it's a bit of a distraction but

2281
01:31:40,310 --> 01:31:38,560
i saw somewhere online i think that the

2282
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:40,320
yeah it was online someone's suggesting

2283
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:41,040
that

2284
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:42,960
why didn't the eagles just fly them

2285
01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:45,120
there and i thought oh come on that

2286
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:47,440
would be a crappy myth if you know this

2287
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:49,440
big higher power just flew them over to

2288
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:51,280
mordor and dropped the ring out you

2289
01:31:55,189 --> 01:31:52,719
needed all that

2290
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:55,199
that that fighting and you know

2291
01:32:02,070 --> 01:31:57,840
all that other process to to make the

2292
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:04,870
three books long

2293
01:32:09,430 --> 01:32:07,199
it was a bit long but yeah

2294
01:32:12,149 --> 01:32:09,440
you know the netherworld uh

2295
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:12,159
another similar uh concept by the the

2296
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:14,080
egyptians and sumerians you know this

2297
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:17,040
this this process that that that you've

2298
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:18,560
got to prepare for and you've got to

2299
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:20,000
wear the right clothing and you've got

2300
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:22,080
to remember the right verses and then

2301
01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:23,440
when you go down through the netherworld

2302
01:32:26,229 --> 01:32:24,880
you know you're going to be challenged

2303
01:32:28,229 --> 01:32:26,239
and if you've got enough awareness to

2304
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:28,239
remember your lessons and and you get

2305
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:29,760
through all the gates and out you come

2306
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:32,239
the other end a much better person well

2307
01:32:36,149 --> 01:32:33,520
you don't have to go through that

2308
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:36,159
netherworld process but

2309
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:38,080
the end result is

2310
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:40,960
something we should be should be aiming

2311
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:42,880
for so uh

2312
01:32:46,870 --> 01:32:44,800
while the drama it seems part of the

2313
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:46,880
part and parcel of the of the

2314
01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:49,840
the process that's going on

2315
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:51,360
do you think we need to go through the

2316
01:32:59,189 --> 01:32:55,600
neither world in order to emerge

2317
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:59,199
reborn on the other side

2318
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:00,719
do you think that that needs to be part

2319
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:02,320
of the process

2320
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:04,560
i think so yeah if you

2321
01:33:10,310 --> 01:33:06,719
you know

2322
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:10,320
without effort there's no reward

2323
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:12,960
there seems to be some requirement to be

2324
01:33:16,790 --> 01:33:13,920
uh

2325
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:16,800
tempered by by those challenges to you

2326
01:33:20,830 --> 01:33:18,960
know test your medal to make sure you

2327
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:20,840
are a hero that you do have what's

2328
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:22,560
required

2329
01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:24,000
to be a

2330
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:26,480
higher person a different person

2331
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:34,629
you're you're not going to make it

2332
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:36,550
well and i think there's like a

2333
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,719
cleansing

2334
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:40,320
part

2335
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:42,480
that would have to come out of the

2336
01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:44,320
challenges you know you hear the stories

2337
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:46,400
of the underworld or the neither world

2338
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:48,639
and there are all these obstacles and

2339
01:33:51,990 --> 01:33:50,800
challenges that need to be faced and

2340
01:33:53,910 --> 01:33:52,000
addressed

2341
01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:53,920
before you can

2342
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:56,000
you know as in the egyptian book of the

2343
01:34:00,070 --> 01:33:58,080
dead you know we wait against coming

2344
01:34:01,350 --> 01:34:00,080
fourth book by coming forth by day

2345
01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:01,360
please

2346
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:04,400
that one

2347
01:34:08,709 --> 01:34:06,880
it was kind of a boring read i'm sorry

2348
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:08,719
the tibetan book of the dead was much

2349
01:34:11,990 --> 01:34:10,639
much more interesting oh was it i

2350
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:12,000
haven't read that one

2351
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:13,679
well the tibetan book of the dead

2352
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:17,679
addresses more of how you help a spirit

2353
01:34:22,870 --> 01:34:20,000
get into the light and let the

2354
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:22,880
the spirit know that it's dead

2355
01:34:27,750 --> 01:34:25,360
and that it can move on i mean it was

2356
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:27,760
really it was a totally different take

2357
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:29,040
on

2358
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:31,360
the dead topic

2359
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:33,199
you know where the other one seemed like

2360
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:34,560
it was more of a

2361
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:36,320
purging and

2362
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:37,520
you know

2363
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:39,679
getting through obstacles so that you

2364
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:43,600
can emerge victorious on the other side

2365
01:34:47,189 --> 01:34:44,800
well yeah

2366
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:47,199
emerge different i mean

2367
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:48,719
in a different state yeah yeah that's

2368
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:49,600
right

2369
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:51,199
and

2370
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:53,040
you know the preparation for the journey

2371
01:34:57,910 --> 01:34:54,480
to the netherworld is important is the

2372
01:34:59,189 --> 01:34:57,920
journey and and uh

2373
01:35:01,750 --> 01:34:59,199
yeah you

2374
01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:01,760
you you have to train yeah it's none of

2375
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:03,520
this is easy if it was easy i guess we'd

2376
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:09,189
what why why

2377
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:10,800
the netherworld challenges are so

2378
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:12,800
essential is the same kind of question

2379
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:14,560
as

2380
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:15,920
you know

2381
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:18,480
why would i want to be awake

2382
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:21,280
is it for everybody maybe not but

2383
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:24,159
for me yeah it's enough it's important

2384
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:25,600
enough to at least keep in the back of

2385
01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:27,600
my mind when i'm going through my my

2386
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:33,350
but it seems like only people that

2387
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:36,639
successfully navigated neither world

2388
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:38,880
will emerge on the other side it's not

2389
01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:41,440
that everybody can go through and if you

2390
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:43,360
don't make it through you get relegated

2391
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:44,719
to

2392
01:35:51,590 --> 01:35:49,830
yeah i don't know where the average

2393
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:51,600
person goes

2394
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:54,239
i i yeah the pro the the journey through

2395
01:35:57,189 --> 01:35:55,920
the netherworld i don't see is for

2396
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:57,199
everybody

2397
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:59,199
it's like joining the marines you know

2398
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:01,199
and you have to do that like training

2399
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:03,760
where you stand in the ice cold water

2400
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:06,239
with all the guys holding a log for like

2401
01:36:16,470 --> 01:36:14,390
they get something out of there

2402
01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,480
i bet you they get something out of it

2403
01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:18,400
uh

2404
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,040
yeah that is spiritual training and and

2405
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:23,199
challenges i guess i've been around we

2406
01:36:26,709 --> 01:36:24,800
see it in in the literature we look at

2407
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:26,719
it's always been around so

2408
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:28,480
obviously humans are i don't know if

2409
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:30,880
they're predetermined to sort of take on

2410
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:34,239
these silly challenges or not but

2411
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:37,440
yeah we're not we're not

2412
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:39,760
programmed to just lie around and do

2413
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:41,600
nothing

2414
01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:47,109
so do you think that this deeper level

2415
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:49,440
was important to our ancestors to

2416
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:51,600
explore their consciousness or do you

2417
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:54,719
think these stories were encoded so that

2418
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:57,040
when the time was right we could utilize

2419
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:58,480
them

2420
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:59,679
i don't think it must be one or the

2421
01:37:03,910 --> 01:37:01,040
other

2422
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:03,920
certainly it was important to them and

2423
01:37:09,189 --> 01:37:07,040
you know it's like raising your kids

2424
01:37:13,189 --> 01:37:09,199
a connection with this is beyond the

2425
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:13,199
personal so i i there's always that uh

2426
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:15,040
that awareness of something more or

2427
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:16,880
something down the road we know we're

2428
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:18,239
not going to

2429
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:20,719
live in this form forever whether we get

2430
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:23,760
reincarnated or live as ghosts

2431
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:25,679
we have to accept that that

2432
01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:28,320
life is changing and is going to go on

2433
01:37:31,910 --> 01:37:29,679
um

2434
01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:31,920
and i'd be hard-pressed to just

2435
01:37:37,590 --> 01:37:33,760
to speculate on on whether they were

2436
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,600
doing it for themselves or or for others

2437
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:39,199
i'd probably average it and say probably

2438
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:41,520
a little bit of both

2439
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:44,639
see the part that gets me is

2440
01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:46,400
there obviously was this level of

2441
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:48,639
importance to these stories

2442
01:37:57,510 --> 01:37:55,510
fictitious you know and they were just

2443
01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:57,520
these fairy tales even though there was

2444
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:02,790
then why go through the trouble of

2445
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:06,000
documenting them

2446
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:07,840
um

2447
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,440
case in point the pyramid text they

2448
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:11,360
didn't just document it they curved

2449
01:38:15,910 --> 01:38:13,360
these bloody things on stone in the

2450
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:15,920
middle watch what i'm talking about yeah

2451
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:17,840
so i mean you know you wouldn't want to

2452
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:20,480
put like a danielle steel novel in there

2453
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:22,880
stephen king i mean why bother if it was

2454
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:24,320
just something that you made up and

2455
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:28,400
there's not value i mean there's value

2456
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:30,719
to these things

2457
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:31,920
the

2458
01:38:37,910 --> 01:38:36,000
this initiation if we will

2459
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:37,920
for the pharaoh

2460
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:41,760
was critical to civilization is is

2461
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:45,280
probably not far off

2462
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:47,760
the belief system and we say in our book

2463
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:48,639
that

2464
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:52,080
development of civilization

2465
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:55,280
those belief systems are are

2466
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:57,679
the cornerstone of what what

2467
01:39:01,030 --> 01:38:59,600
happens to the civilization how they

2468
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:01,040
view the world

2469
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:03,520
um there's a book by william

2470
01:39:07,590 --> 01:39:05,760
sullivan on the inca i don't know if you

2471
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:07,600
encountered this

2472
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:10,880
where he he looks at the incan myths

2473
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:14,080
about the milky way and the stars

2474
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:18,080
as a predeterminant to why the incas

2475
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:19,360
uh

2476
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:21,040
fell to the conquistadors there was like

2477
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:24,320
140 conquistadors sail up on a ship

2478
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:25,679
as opposed to

2479
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:28,800
tens of thousands of incas uh

2480
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:31,360
and and

2481
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:33,119
sullivan does an excellent job of

2482
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:35,760
teasing apart their myths to to show

2483
01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:36,960
that

2484
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:38,719
they all they were expecting the end of

2485
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:40,560
their world

2486
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:44,800
and for this reason 140 europeans

2487
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:46,320
were able to

2488
01:39:51,669 --> 01:39:48,960
totally put an end to the civilization

2489
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:51,679
so that's an example of the power of

2490
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:53,520
myth the role of myth

2491
01:39:56,709 --> 01:39:55,840
and you know if

2492
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:56,719
if

2493
01:40:01,350 --> 01:40:00,239
that the pharaoh had to go through this

2494
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:01,360
process of

2495
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:03,360
you know arriving at the

2496
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:04,960
the nile temple and going to the

2497
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:06,159
causeway and

2498
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,480
getting into the pyramid and properly

2499
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:09,920
prepared

2500
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:12,159
read the pyramid text on the wall if

2501
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:13,760
that was critical to how you viewed the

2502
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:15,119
world then

2503
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:16,960
then one can appreciate that they would

2504
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,520
put all that effort into it

2505
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,360
it's not tangible

2506
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:23,280
from our point of view why that would

2507
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:24,560
happen but

2508
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:25,679
it sure

2509
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:29,520
um

2510
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,600
maybe the culture then

2511
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:33,520
could appreciate the results of that

2512
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:37,119
initiation more than we do now the

2513
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:39,760
first nations people in north america

2514
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:41,760
you know the shaman was a very special

2515
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,800
person

2516
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:44,880
uh key to the to the survival of the

2517
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:46,560
civilization so i think it's on that

2518
01:40:48,830 --> 01:40:47,760
level that

2519
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:48,840
that

2520
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,000
civilization does is based on the meth i

2521
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:56,719
mean heck we're sending

2522
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:00,320
spaceships out past pluto

2523
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:02,800
we're buying into that that modern myth

2524
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:04,880
that's useful to do

2525
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:06,960
may not be may be viewed by different

2526
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:08,239
other different civilizations

2527
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:10,239
differently but certainly that's what we

2528
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:13,360
are doing and and

2529
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:16,480
maybe that's that's our own uh way of uh

2530
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:19,119
writing down our our legacy to the

2531
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:25,510
i think our legacy to the future is

2532
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:28,320
going to be their belief that we worship

2533
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,719
the golden the god of the golden arches

2534
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:34,719
there's a lot of a lot of golden arches

2535
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:37,920
around that that's right and you know

2536
01:41:42,550 --> 01:41:40,719
well no but i just figure in 5 000 years

2537
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:42,560
you know when they start digging around

2538
01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:44,400
it won't be destroyed because it's

2539
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:47,920
styrofoam and it's not biodegradable

2540
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:50,080
your ink will still be readable yeah

2541
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:52,719
that's right that's true that's true

2542
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:54,719
kind of scary i mean hopefully we get

2543
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:56,159
hopefully there's still people around

2544
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:01,990
well you know when the poodles take over

2545
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:04,080
the planet and they start digging around

2546
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:10,310
well these are

2547
01:42:14,310 --> 01:42:12,480
beetles don't are killed with nuclear

2548
01:42:16,149 --> 01:42:14,320
radiation so there's always hope there's

2549
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:16,159
always hope

2550
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:20,000
a bug a bug infested world

2551
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:22,400
we should we should do a movie

2552
01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:27,750
so

2553
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:33,119
of effort into the the pyramid text and

2554
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:34,800
and um

2555
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:38,719
it makes more sense to to to us

2556
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:41,040
if we look at it in terms of initiation

2557
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:44,000
and getting the highest out of at least

2558
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:51,109
knew more about life you know could

2559
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:52,719
participate more in life could keep

2560
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:55,920
civilization going i i don't know but

2561
01:43:05,830 --> 01:42:58,000
impressive pieces of work and

2562
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:07,189
do you think that

2563
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:09,920
myth and mythology has shaped society

2564
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:11,600
and culture

2565
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:14,880
oh yes yeah i i think we're living

2566
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:16,239
i think we're living with the myth of

2567
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:18,560
progress right now

2568
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:20,080
what do you mean by that

2569
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:25,350
the the uh

2570
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:27,360
we feel that we're getting better with

2571
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:29,679
each passing day when we look at when we

2572
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:31,360
look at the myths and some of the

2573
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:33,280
concepts they contain some of the rocks

2574
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:35,199
they moved uh

2575
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,960
that that idea of getting better every

2576
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:38,800
day with each passing

2577
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,159
year is a little harder to

2578
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:43,760
to accept that at least you have to

2579
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:45,840
accept that there were peaks and valleys

2580
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:47,679
in our development

2581
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:51,600
so now we we live

2582
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:54,080
as a sort of an engineered society that

2583
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:55,520
you know if we can do if we can engineer

2584
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:57,920
it better it we're better off

2585
01:44:03,109 --> 01:43:59,280
whereas the

2586
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:03,119
the metaphysical the spiritual side is

2587
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:06,719
not quite not not as actively supported

2588
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:09,360
um you know we were building this huge

2589
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:11,119
uh

2590
01:44:16,709 --> 01:44:14,320
hadron large hadron collider in cern and

2591
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:16,719
to smash atoms together but you know

2592
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:17,840
there's a lot of things we could be

2593
01:44:22,070 --> 01:44:20,320
doing with our time and our money that

2594
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:22,080
it may be more profitable in the long

2595
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:29,669
okay um

2596
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:31,840
but i mean do you think stories like the

2597
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:40,390
fostered a thought or a belief or

2598
01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:43,280
concepts that we are utilizing

2599
01:44:47,590 --> 01:44:44,560
principles

2600
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:47,600
that we find in narratives like that

2601
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:49,679
to live on today i mean i know that

2602
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:51,920
biblical narratives definitely have

2603
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:54,960
influenced the direction and course

2604
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:57,600
that society has moved forward in you

2605
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:59,760
know in the western world

2606
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:01,360
you know sometimes for the better some

2607
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:07,270
yeah we're all taught mathematics and

2608
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:10,000
we're taught you know

2609
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:11,920
chemistry and biology and whatnot in

2610
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:13,440
accounting

2611
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:16,080
we don't have similar you know attention

2612
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:19,040
paid to our spiritual beings and and

2613
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:24,310
that's a sign of our civilization that

2614
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:25,760
we we just don't pay that enough

2615
01:45:30,709 --> 01:45:27,600
attention and we have a hard time

2616
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:30,719
appreciating other civilizations that uh

2617
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:34,080
other other cultures that do that so

2618
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:37,040
weather could change i'm not sure

2619
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:39,440
civilizations do come and go and there's

2620
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:43,040
lots of examples inc mayan egyptian

2621
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:47,590
what the long-term end goal of western

2622
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:53,590
well we don't know either and we live

2623
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:55,199
here

2624
01:46:01,750 --> 01:45:58,560
yep we vote we pay taxes and we don't

2625
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:04,709
well i yes we do

2626
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:09,910
you must not have a facebook account

2627
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:11,040
oh yeah

2628
01:46:16,629 --> 01:46:12,800
well those are little complaints that's

2629
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:16,639
not real changing the world complaints

2630
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:23,990
so i'm looking at the clock we have

2631
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:27,199
i'm going to say like 10 minutes

2632
01:46:30,149 --> 01:46:28,000
um

2633
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:30,159
something that we talked about a little

2634
01:46:37,270 --> 01:46:34,159
bit um but not really was the concept of

2635
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:37,280
ritual you know and i want to explain

2636
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:38,560
that to

2637
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:41,840
magic and ritual

2638
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:43,920
in these early cultures it seems like

2639
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:46,800
the concept of magic and ritual take a

2640
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:48,639
very important role

2641
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:54,870
well in in the egyptian there was this

2642
01:46:59,910 --> 01:46:57,280
balance between the god the netter the

2643
01:47:02,790 --> 01:46:59,920
principle of magic and the the god the

2644
01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:02,800
letter of uh of ma

2645
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:04,320
order

2646
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:07,040
justice truth sort of thing

2647
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:09,520
the

2648
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:11,440
in modern day world we like order we

2649
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:12,159
like

2650
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:16,800
minds and and we undervalue the role of

2651
01:47:20,149 --> 01:47:18,800
magic but as a biologist

2652
01:47:22,229 --> 01:47:20,159
you know there's still a lot of

2653
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:22,239
intangible things that happen in life

2654
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:23,040
that

2655
01:47:29,510 --> 01:47:26,320
really are hard to explain on the basis

2656
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:29,520
of atoms or molecules or you know the

2657
01:47:33,750 --> 01:47:32,320
rational order you know physical order

2658
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:33,760
that we live in

2659
01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:35,360
so

2660
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:37,119
i i

2661
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:40,480
i see more i see magic as a useful term

2662
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:42,480
to describe a lot of these intangibles

2663
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:44,880
that we encounter in our day that

2664
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:47,600
that has has no other

2665
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:49,440
no other meaning i mean you know the

2666
01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:51,520
magic of life or the magic of death you

2667
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:53,520
know what what happens

2668
01:47:57,669 --> 01:47:56,639
from a living state to a dying state

2669
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:57,679
uh

2670
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:59,600
i think you could probably trace that

2671
01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:00,800
back to

2672
01:48:04,709 --> 01:48:02,880
christianity christianity really didn't

2673
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:04,719
like magic and and

2674
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:07,440
they saw magic as bad magic and against

2675
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:08,400
them and

2676
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:10,239
so it's been really uh

2677
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:12,560
taken out of western culture

2678
01:48:17,109 --> 01:48:14,800
such the point that you know

2679
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:17,119
it's not very well recognized it's not

2680
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:18,639
even

2681
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:20,400
suitable to sort of

2682
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:22,880
have a discussion on magic but yet there

2683
01:48:27,030 --> 01:48:24,960
are these intangibles in life that we

2684
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:27,040
have to recognize you know love makes

2685
01:48:32,709 --> 01:48:29,040
the world go round you know people live

2686
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:32,719
and die for for love and

2687
01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:35,040
what role those intangibles play in our

2688
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:38,719
life are important to recognize and i

2689
01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:41,440
i would call that magic

2690
01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:44,080
i'm not sure if that's the magic

2691
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:45,840
that you would be talking that that you

2692
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:47,280
conceive of

2693
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:49,280
but it's more than entertainment more

2694
01:48:52,870 --> 01:48:50,480
than you know

2695
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:52,880
sleight of hand i think it's a real real

2696
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:56,480
uh process that that exists

2697
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:58,480
well

2698
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:00,960
i mean jesus did magic oh wait those

2699
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:04,320
were miracles that's right

2700
01:49:07,990 --> 01:49:06,639
but they will start with them so that's

2701
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:08,000
close right

2702
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:09,440
um

2703
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:10,960
i mean that's the part that i think is

2704
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:13,440
interesting is that jesus was able to do

2705
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:15,360
these feats

2706
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:17,920
um which

2707
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,199
you know they don't they don't really

2708
01:49:23,590 --> 01:49:21,360
like tell how he did them he just did

2709
01:49:25,510 --> 01:49:23,600
them but it seems like

2710
01:49:27,910 --> 01:49:25,520
it's almost as if

2711
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:27,920
they don't want anybody else doing it

2712
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:31,040
because then it deters or takes away

2713
01:49:34,870 --> 01:49:31,920
from

2714
01:49:39,590 --> 01:49:34,880
jesus's ability to

2715
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:41,270
you've got to make your local here

2716
01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:43,760
heroes special somehow and if you can't

2717
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:45,040
well

2718
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:46,560
i guess you do both you me you build

2719
01:49:53,590 --> 01:49:48,159
them up and you you make sure that

2720
01:49:56,870 --> 01:49:55,430
miracles yeah

2721
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:56,880
they're magic but i think there's things

2722
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:59,199
closer to us that you know the

2723
01:50:01,910 --> 01:50:00,400
um

2724
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:01,920
again the the

2725
01:50:06,149 --> 01:50:03,840
the feeling that you have when you see a

2726
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:06,159
beautiful sunset

2727
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:07,679
to me those are those are kind of

2728
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:10,000
day-to-day magic things that that we

2729
01:50:18,070 --> 01:50:15,910
but when you experience something like

2730
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:18,080
that i mean it puts you

2731
01:50:22,709 --> 01:50:21,760
back in or closer to that divine state

2732
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:22,719
to that

2733
01:50:28,470 --> 01:50:24,639
feeling of higher consciousness that you

2734
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:29,669
yep i

2735
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,360
would would a

2736
01:50:34,950 --> 01:50:33,360
would a nice sunset be better than

2737
01:50:37,109 --> 01:50:34,960
watching a nice sunset every evening be

2738
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:37,119
better than a six-figure salary

2739
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:39,119
possibly it might make it you might live

2740
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:41,040
longer

2741
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:43,360
but it does make you feel

2742
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:45,520
different and

2743
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:46,960
i there's no

2744
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:49,040
i don't think any

2745
01:50:53,590 --> 01:50:51,360
any way that you could describe it

2746
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:53,600
better than magic i mean an mri or you

2747
01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:55,199
know brain scans might tell you which

2748
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:56,560
electrons are

2749
01:51:02,470 --> 01:51:00,000
firing but to my knowledge no one

2750
01:51:05,189 --> 01:51:02,480
is making any progress in terms of

2751
01:51:07,109 --> 01:51:05,199
really capturing what what

2752
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,119
what what is the evidence for higher

2753
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:09,440
consciousness higher awareness you know

2754
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:12,000
with all this technology we have so

2755
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:13,360
magic

2756
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:16,159
i think deserves a bit more uh

2757
01:51:22,229 --> 01:51:19,119
uh respect in our civilization

2758
01:51:24,470 --> 01:51:22,239
much like you know a shaman or

2759
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:24,480
you know the the the just because we

2760
01:51:27,910 --> 01:51:25,840
don't understand it doesn't mean it

2761
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:27,920
doesn't influence us and doesn't uh

2762
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:32,709
well yeah i mean that was kind of what i

2763
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:35,760
was thinking was the whole shaman

2764
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:40,719
type idea where they are able to

2765
01:51:47,350 --> 01:51:43,280
do things or you know you hear these uh

2766
01:51:49,510 --> 01:51:47,360
about these uh yogis in india who are

2767
01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:49,520
able to

2768
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:52,000
i don't know create rose petals or

2769
01:51:57,830 --> 01:51:54,480
whatever they do

2770
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:57,840
you know and just manifest them

2771
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:59,040
just

2772
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:00,159
you know i don't want to say through

2773
01:52:07,270 --> 01:52:03,440
their will but by connecting with

2774
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:07,280
some unknown some seen unseen force in

2775
01:52:10,310 --> 01:52:08,639
the universe

2776
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:10,320
i mean i don't think that they would you

2777
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:11,040
know

2778
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:13,520
have like a little secret slide in their

2779
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:16,800
you know jacket that would make little

2780
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:19,840
rose petals appear you know

2781
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:21,199
on command

2782
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:23,599
kind of thing yeah that would be a bit

2783
01:52:26,950 --> 01:52:25,040
silly but

2784
01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:26,960
are you aware of paul brunton paul

2785
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:28,159
brunton

2786
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:30,000
did some studies in india and and the

2787
01:52:33,990 --> 01:52:31,679
middle east

2788
01:52:35,109 --> 01:52:34,000
and uh one of his books he writes about

2789
01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:35,119
a

2790
01:53:11,589 --> 01:52:57,040
he

2791
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:11,599
connection with a

2792
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:19,109
it seemed very well documented by

2793
01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:22,000
scientists at the time and and they

2794
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,840
they did it under controlled conditions

2795
01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:26,880
and this

2796
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:29,280
i guess it'd be a fakie or

2797
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:31,440
i think that might be the right term was

2798
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:34,719
able to do incredible things

2799
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:41,109
i've got no reason to doubt the the

2800
01:53:45,589 --> 01:53:43,199
observations that were made

2801
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,599
i wish i could do that

2802
01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:47,520
i have no idea what kind of thing he was

2803
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:49,599
tapping into but it certainly again

2804
01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:50,800
gives some

2805
01:53:55,510 --> 01:53:53,360
uh some insights into what our capacity

2806
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:55,520
is if we

2807
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:57,040
were different if we were better if we

2808
01:54:01,990 --> 01:53:59,760
were more awake i don't know

2809
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:02,000
well and i i guess i bring that up

2810
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:04,159
because because i

2811
01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:05,760
if i recall

2812
01:54:11,430 --> 01:54:08,800
in like autobiography of a yogi

2813
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:11,440
um he was able to maybe not do that but

2814
01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:13,040
it was able to do a lot of different

2815
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:14,960
things and it was all because he was

2816
01:54:19,350 --> 01:54:17,040
able to tap into that

2817
01:54:20,830 --> 01:54:19,360
unknown unseen

2818
01:54:23,350 --> 01:54:20,840
you know energy

2819
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:23,360
that exists

2820
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:25,520
you know and that was just a byproduct

2821
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:26,880
of

2822
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:32,709
magic yeah

2823
01:54:35,270 --> 01:54:34,560
well i mean that's what we call it you

2824
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:35,280
know

2825
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:37,360
some people will call in a miracle i

2826
01:54:43,669 --> 01:54:38,800
like calling it a miracle because it

2827
01:54:47,910 --> 01:54:45,109
that's fine

2828
01:54:49,669 --> 01:54:47,920
but it gives us something to look look

2829
01:54:58,550 --> 01:54:49,679
something to strive for

2830
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,510
might even be better i don't know

2831
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:03,760
well i mean do you think by tapping into

2832
01:55:16,390 --> 01:55:13,350
we end up being better do you think

2833
01:55:18,709 --> 01:55:16,400
that over time if enough people tap into

2834
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:18,719
their higher consciousness that

2835
01:55:24,229 --> 01:55:21,599
society would be better that kind of

2836
01:55:27,510 --> 01:55:24,239
thing yeah both both

2837
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:27,520
i can i can speak more personally yes

2838
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:30,000
when i have those moments of awakening

2839
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:31,440
life is better

2840
01:55:34,390 --> 01:55:33,360
and it's easy to imagine that if many

2841
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:34,400
people

2842
01:55:44,709 --> 01:55:41,990
see it just makes me wonder if we were

2843
01:55:47,430 --> 01:55:44,719
in those kind of moments more often

2844
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:47,440
would we really care about the big house

2845
01:55:51,589 --> 01:55:49,040
and the fancy car

2846
01:55:54,390 --> 01:55:51,599
and all of the things that we surround

2847
01:55:56,390 --> 01:55:54,400
ourselves with in contemporary society

2848
01:55:59,109 --> 01:55:56,400
or would we just let them go because

2849
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:59,119
they'd really become unimportant

2850
01:56:02,310 --> 01:56:01,280
they'd become unimportant

2851
01:56:03,669 --> 01:56:02,320
there's a

2852
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:03,679
number of people writing these days

2853
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:06,320
about happiness

2854
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,000
what makes us happy

2855
01:56:12,470 --> 01:56:10,000
uh

2856
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:12,480
they're finding certain basic you know

2857
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:14,000
levels of income and health that are

2858
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:15,920
required but beyond that the the

2859
01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:18,080
happiness that comes out from you know a

2860
01:56:22,550 --> 01:56:20,800
six figure salary in a big house and

2861
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:22,560
a big car

2862
01:56:25,910 --> 01:56:24,400
really don't justify the effort we put

2863
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:25,920
into it

2864
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:28,320
i don't think we have alternative things

2865
01:56:31,990 --> 01:56:29,920
to put our effort into and that may be

2866
01:56:33,109 --> 01:56:32,000
one of the problems of our society is

2867
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:33,119
that we're not given these other

2868
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:35,119
alternatives but

2869
01:56:39,910 --> 01:56:37,119
how big a car do you need you know uh

2870
01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:39,920
you know how big how big a a plot of

2871
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:42,960
land even even in the 19th century

2872
01:56:47,430 --> 01:56:44,880
you could see that those standards

2873
01:56:48,709 --> 01:56:47,440
changed based on what we were taught and

2874
01:56:50,790 --> 01:56:48,719
and how

2875
01:56:52,390 --> 01:56:50,800
our neighbors performed

2876
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:52,400
you know the the

2877
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:54,480
single family home with a

2878
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:56,480
a two-car garage

2879
01:57:00,229 --> 01:56:58,639
sort of came after world war ii and it

2880
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:00,239
sort of accepted

2881
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:03,119
um i mean i love the idea that new york

2882
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:04,320
city is

2883
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:06,719
is one of the most ecologically

2884
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:08,880
friendly areas in the world because of

2885
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:10,560
the density of people and the ability to

2886
01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:13,119
handle people in new york city but

2887
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:15,440
when you talk to most westerners it's oh

2888
01:57:21,750 --> 01:57:18,800
no i want an acre of land and a car and

2889
01:57:28,149 --> 01:57:24,709
yeah we can change our desires and and

2890
01:57:30,229 --> 01:57:28,159
we could be happy with other things

2891
01:57:33,350 --> 01:57:30,239
what would make us make those changes i

2892
01:57:38,470 --> 01:57:35,430
i don't know but i think we need to do

2893
01:57:42,070 --> 01:57:40,470
do you have to sit in traffic to carpool

2894
01:57:43,510 --> 01:57:42,080
to work maybe

2895
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:43,520
no my commute

2896
01:57:47,030 --> 01:57:45,520
consists of going downstairs getting

2897
01:57:49,669 --> 01:57:47,040
something to drink and walking back

2898
01:57:51,109 --> 01:57:49,679
upstairs that's my commute these days as

2899
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:51,119
well

2900
01:57:54,310 --> 01:57:52,560
but for all the time people spend in

2901
01:57:56,310 --> 01:57:54,320
cars and traffic jams you'd think that

2902
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:56,320
someone would would realize that maybe

2903
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:57,599
that's not the best way to live your

2904
01:58:01,510 --> 01:57:59,599
life

2905
01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:01,520
yeah

2906
01:58:05,270 --> 01:58:03,119
but i think that that's changing and i

2907
01:58:06,950 --> 01:58:05,280
think more and more people are trying to

2908
01:58:10,390 --> 01:58:06,960
get out of that but i'm looking at the

2909
01:58:14,950 --> 01:58:12,950
yeah um you know it catches me by

2910
01:58:17,750 --> 01:58:14,960
surprise sometimes

2911
01:58:19,350 --> 01:58:17,760
if someone wants your book amazon

2912
01:58:21,589 --> 01:58:19,360
where's the best place

2913
01:58:23,910 --> 01:58:21,599
well the our website has links to amazon

2914
01:58:25,830 --> 01:58:23,920
or barnes and noble or you could buy a

2915
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:25,840
kindle version on amazon

2916
01:58:28,589 --> 01:58:26,960
so again the

2917
01:58:31,990 --> 01:58:28,599
the website

2918
01:58:36,310 --> 01:58:32,000
awhico.com or do a google search on aw

2919
01:58:39,030 --> 01:58:36,320
h-i-c-o and uh yeah we got twitter

2920
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:39,040
facebook we're easy to find hopefully

2921
01:58:43,830 --> 01:58:41,360
easy to find yeah thanks so much for

2922
01:58:45,589 --> 01:58:43,840
coming on and um

2923
01:58:46,470 --> 01:58:45,599
spending time with us today what a great

2924
01:58:48,629 --> 01:58:46,480
chat

2925
01:58:51,750 --> 01:58:48,639
good friend all right yeah all right

2926
01:58:53,589 --> 01:58:51,760
will you have a great weekend and i'm

2927
01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:53,599
sure i will talk to you again soon i

2928
01:58:57,270 --> 01:58:55,520
look forward to it take care dr peter

2929
01:58:58,629 --> 01:58:57,280
all right all right bye

2930
01:59:00,870 --> 01:58:58,639
bye

2931
01:59:03,350 --> 01:59:00,880
that's paul boudreau his book is

2932
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:03,360
awakening higher consciousness his

2933
01:59:09,270 --> 01:59:05,520
webpage is

2934
01:59:13,109 --> 01:59:11,030
next week we're going to be having nick

2935
01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:13,119
pope and maybe a couple other people on

2936
01:59:18,229 --> 01:59:14,400
talking about

2937
01:59:20,629 --> 01:59:18,239
rendelstrom forest ufo encounter

2938
01:59:22,790 --> 01:59:20,639
till next time i'm dr rita louise this

2939
01:59:28,950 --> 01:59:22,800
is just energy radio